Comments on: Bureau of Weaker Siblings http://oldlife.org/2009/04/10/bureau-of-weaker-siblings/ Faith and Practice Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:33:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: David Shedden http://oldlife.org/2009/04/10/bureau-of-weaker-siblings/comment-page-1/#comment-1536 David Shedden Fri, 22 May 2009 18:39:03 +0000 http://oldlife.org/?p=98#comment-1536 An interesting post from an English CofE blogger: http://ugleyvicar.blogspot.com/2009/05/one-day-therell-be-knock-on-door.html#comments An interesting post from an English CofE blogger:

http://ugleyvicar.blogspot.com/2009/05/one-day-therell-be-knock-on-door.html#comments

]]> By: Lue-Yee Tsang http://oldlife.org/2009/04/10/bureau-of-weaker-siblings/comment-page-1/#comment-1099 Lue-Yee Tsang Fri, 01 May 2009 20:32:55 +0000 http://oldlife.org/?p=98#comment-1099 Isn’t it more about not letting your hotel be used for (the most expected) sin than about not renting out rooms to sinners? Isn’t it more about not letting your hotel be used for (the most expected) sin than about not renting out rooms to sinners?

]]> By: Old Life Theological Society » Blog Archive » 2K Food Fight? http://oldlife.org/2009/04/10/bureau-of-weaker-siblings/comment-page-1/#comment-959 Old Life Theological Society » Blog Archive » 2K Food Fight? Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:20:36 +0000 http://oldlife.org/?p=98#comment-959 [...] Over at Heidelblog, Scott Clark takes some exception to the proposal at Old Life for a Bureau of Weaker Siblings.  [...] [...] Over at Heidelblog, Scott Clark takes some exception to the proposal at Old Life for a Bureau of Weaker Siblings.  [...]

]]> By: Richard http://oldlife.org/2009/04/10/bureau-of-weaker-siblings/comment-page-1/#comment-932 Richard Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:12:32 +0000 http://oldlife.org/?p=98#comment-932 Keep an eye out <a href="http://www.christian.org.uk/news/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Keep an eye out here.

]]> By: David Shedden http://oldlife.org/2009/04/10/bureau-of-weaker-siblings/comment-page-1/#comment-928 David Shedden Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:13:08 +0000 http://oldlife.org/?p=98#comment-928 Again, Zrim, brilliant! Why haven't you called me anabaptist yet? It's probably the closest label you'll find. Unlike you I don't do guns. Again, Zrim, brilliant! Why haven’t you called me anabaptist yet? It’s probably the closest label you’ll find. Unlike you I don’t do guns.

]]> By: Zrim http://oldlife.org/2009/04/10/bureau-of-weaker-siblings/comment-page-1/#comment-926 Zrim Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:27:32 +0000 http://oldlife.org/?p=98#comment-926 David, <i>And you have no interest in any evidence that might support my only contention, which is that 2k theory needs to be practical in the face of an increasing amount of godless and unethical legislation.</i> You mean like when we start being made into human candles for Nero's garden? The old-timers called that martyrdom. And by "increasing" do you mean that there was a time when there was less godlessness somewhere? Sorry, but when I hear the demand to be "practical" I go for my gun. <i>The Christian hotel scenario, and the story I cited, are real situations in which natural law and/or Christian ethical values are being defied. How does 2k theology understand and respond to this growing trend?</i> Moves to Canada? It worked for Stuart Robinson when he refused to be practical in America, and Wout seems to suggest the sky isn't falling there. But I'll never get my wife to agree--she hates Michigan weather as it is. David,

And you have no interest in any evidence that might support my only contention, which is that 2k theory needs to be practical in the face of an increasing amount of godless and unethical legislation.

You mean like when we start being made into human candles for Nero’s garden? The old-timers called that martyrdom. And by “increasing” do you mean that there was a time when there was less godlessness somewhere? Sorry, but when I hear the demand to be “practical” I go for my gun.

The Christian hotel scenario, and the story I cited, are real situations in which natural law and/or Christian ethical values are being defied. How does 2k theology understand and respond to this growing trend?

Moves to Canada? It worked for Stuart Robinson when he refused to be practical in America, and Wout seems to suggest the sky isn’t falling there. But I’ll never get my wife to agree–she hates Michigan weather as it is.

]]> By: Vern Crisler http://oldlife.org/2009/04/10/bureau-of-weaker-siblings/comment-page-1/#comment-925 Vern Crisler Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:05:55 +0000 http://oldlife.org/?p=98#comment-925 Seems to me it's not any business of the hotel owner (Christian or otherwise) to be snooping into what people do in a hotel room. Hotel owners are not law-enforcement officers. This would be the case whether we're talking theonomy or 2 kingdomism. We already have enough fascism in this country. Best we don't encourage it among hotel owners. Vern Seems to me it’s not any business of the hotel owner (Christian or
otherwise) to be snooping into what people do in a hotel room.
Hotel owners are not law-enforcement officers. This would be the
case whether we’re talking theonomy or 2 kingdomism.

We already have enough fascism in this country. Best we don’t
encourage it among hotel owners.

Vern

]]> By: David Shedden http://oldlife.org/2009/04/10/bureau-of-weaker-siblings/comment-page-1/#comment-924 David Shedden Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:50:01 +0000 http://oldlife.org/?p=98#comment-924 Brilliant Zrim! You are running out of labels to attribute to me. And you have no interest in any evidence that might support my only contention, which is that 2k theory needs to be practical in the face of an increasing amount of godless and unethical legislation. The Christian hotel scenario, and the story I cited, are real situations in which natural law and/or Christian ethical values are being defied. How does 2k theology understand and respond to this growing trend? Brilliant Zrim! You are running out of labels to attribute to me. And you have no interest in any evidence that might support my only contention, which is that 2k theory needs to be practical in the face of an increasing amount of godless and unethical legislation.

The Christian hotel scenario, and the story I cited, are real situations in which natural law and/or Christian ethical values are being defied. How does 2k theology understand and respond to this growing trend?

]]> By: Zrim http://oldlife.org/2009/04/10/bureau-of-weaker-siblings/comment-page-1/#comment-919 Zrim Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:38:02 +0000 http://oldlife.org/?p=98#comment-919 David, You might get further with dgh, but even if you provide a link methinks you'd not be out of the forest of sensationalism (versus news); I'm a hopeless skeptic. Governments do dumb stuff all the time, sometimes really asinine and just plain wrong stuff. So what? Sorry, but not only may you be primed for American-made theonomy, but you might find our dispensationalism a bit alluring--did you hear that they've invented chips to put in our arms to make grocery shopping easier? While I wish the jet-pack came first, I think that's cool. And if my grandchild were stolen to be sold to a gay couple, I'd be really friggin' indignant and fight like hell for justice. As a skeptic not given to sensationalism I’m pretty bad at paranoia. <i>Would a Christian who belongs to a teetotal group expect to get a job in a liquor store, and then refuse to sell liquor?</i> In America, probably. We’re the same ones who go to pharmacy school and then whine about having to dispense birth control, or medical school and get excused absences for the day pregnancy-termination is taught. That’s way easier than having to figure out how to negotiate personal ethics with vocational demands. We like life easier than harder. David,

You might get further with dgh, but even if you provide a link methinks you’d not be out of the forest of sensationalism (versus news); I’m a hopeless skeptic. Governments do dumb stuff all the time, sometimes really asinine and just plain wrong stuff. So what? Sorry, but not only may you be primed for American-made theonomy, but you might find our dispensationalism a bit alluring–did you hear that they’ve invented chips to put in our arms to make grocery shopping easier? While I wish the jet-pack came first, I think that’s cool.

And if my grandchild were stolen to be sold to a gay couple, I’d be really friggin’ indignant and fight like hell for justice. As a skeptic not given to sensationalism I’m pretty bad at paranoia.

Would a Christian who belongs to a teetotal group expect to get a job in a liquor store, and then refuse to sell liquor?

In America, probably. We’re the same ones who go to pharmacy school and then whine about having to dispense birth control, or medical school and get excused absences for the day pregnancy-termination is taught. That’s way easier than having to figure out how to negotiate personal ethics with vocational demands. We like life easier than harder.

]]> By: Wout http://oldlife.org/2009/04/10/bureau-of-weaker-siblings/comment-page-1/#comment-918 Wout Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:06:55 +0000 http://oldlife.org/?p=98#comment-918 In Canada, civil marriage is between two persons regardless of gender. Human rights laws prohibit persons from discriminating against persons because of race, religion, age, sex, marital status or sexual orientation in areas such as housing, employment and public services. This does NOT apply to not for profit churches or organizations. Therefore it would be illegal for a Christian hotel owner to refuse to rent a room to people who are black, Reformed, gay, married or unmarried. However, in no way is a church expected to hire a non-Christian as a minister, or marry a gay couple etc. Churches are not and have not been required to ordain women, non-believers, members of other Christian groups, and have not and are not required to marry people that the church does not want to marry. Secular marriage commissioners appointed by government however, cannot discriminate even if it (such as inter-racial or same sex) is against their personal religious beliefs. Would a Christian who belongs to a teetotal group expect to get a job in a liquor store, and then refuse to sell liquor? In Canada, civil marriage is between two persons regardless of gender. Human rights laws prohibit persons from discriminating against persons because of race, religion, age, sex, marital status or sexual orientation in areas such as housing, employment and public services.

This does NOT apply to not for profit churches or organizations.

Therefore it would be illegal for a Christian hotel owner to refuse to rent a room to people who are black, Reformed, gay, married or unmarried. However, in no way is a church expected to hire a non-Christian as a minister, or marry a gay couple etc. Churches are not and have not been required to ordain women, non-believers, members of other Christian groups, and have not and are not required to marry people that the church does not want to marry. Secular marriage commissioners appointed by government however, cannot discriminate even if it (such as inter-racial or same sex) is against their personal religious beliefs. Would a Christian who belongs to a teetotal group expect to get a job in a liquor store, and then refuse to sell liquor?

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