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		<title>Celtic Coincidence?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 02:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Julie Fowlis]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[W. B. Yeats]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Last night I attended a wonderful concert of Scottish folk music, performed by Julie Fowlis and her accompanying band of fiddle, guitar, and bouzouki. Ms. Fowlis plays the whistles as well as she sings. It was a glorious testimony to the creativity and endurance of the folk who live, work, and play in Scotland&#8217;s Western… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2011/10/celtic-coincidence/">Read More&#8594;</a></p><p>The post <a href="http://oldlife.org/2011/10/celtic-coincidence/">Celtic Coincidence?</a> appeared first on <a href="http://oldlife.org">Old Life Theological Society</a>.</p>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I attended a wonderful concert of Scottish folk music, performed by <a href="http://www.juliefowlis.com">Julie Fowlis</a> and her accompanying band of fiddle, guitar, and bouzouki.  Ms. Fowlis plays the whistles as well as she sings.  It was a glorious testimony to the creativity and endurance of the folk who live, work, and play in Scotland&#8217;s Western Isles (where I hear the whiskey is almost as good as the song).</p>
<p>Yesterday morning on my way to class I was reading a review in <em>The New Republic</em> of a new book on W. B. Yeats by <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Words-Alone-Yeats-His-Inheritances/dp/0199592160/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1319767738&#038;sr=1-1">R. F. Foster</a>.  As many know, Yeats had one foot in the occult and the other on planet earth.  What I did not know, though I have heard various assertions about Celtic spirituality over the years, was that Yeats may have picked up an interest in the occult and supernatural from Irish Protestant culture.  According to the review:</p>
<blockquote><p>As far back as 1989, Foster was publishing arresting reflectiosn on the role of the occult in Irish Protestant culture, and this subject generatesthe most original chapter in his new book, tracking the Irish sources of Yeats&#8217;s interest in magic, secret socities, seances, and the supernatural.</p>
<p>&#8220;Twenty years ago,&#8221; Foster writes, &#8220;I suggested some patterns behind the atttraction of the occult for Irish Protestant writers,&#8221; ascribing that attraction in part to &#8220;Protestant insecurity and self-interrogation&#8221; in a country where elaborate Catholic and folk supernatural beliefs dominated. Foster&#8217;s chapter takes the reader on a rapid ride from stories of the supernatural to Swedenborg to the (adult) Irish fairies, establishing the theme of &#8220;a parallel world which can be entered by concentrated mental and spiritual exercise, and whose denizens engage in activities which both mirror and illuminate our own &#8212; and affect our destinies.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>So, to all of those Celtic Protestant readers out there, how much is there to this observation about Irish Protestantism?  I don&#8217;t ask this to wind anyone up.  When would I ever do that?  I am genuinely curious and Foster&#8217;s hunch about the dominant Roman Catholic presence in Ireland makes sense.  I should also mention that Foster&#8217;s book seems fairly responsible in its judgments.  In Foster&#8217;s own words:</p>
<blockquote><p>Current criticism tends to read the effusive literary productions of this era through theses such as the picaresque, or racial &#8220;othering,&#8221; or a colonized discourse which can be paralleled elsewhere in the British Empire.  It might be more profitable to look at what the Irish Romantics wanted to do, what they thought they were doing, whom they admired, and how they expressed their nationalism, or sense of nationality . . . And these texts, written by Protestant Unionists determined to claim an Irish identity, were key influences on the young Yeats.</p></blockquote>
<p>(Thus, ends my Facebook moment.)  </p>
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		<title>A Reformed Protestant by Any Other Name Has to Be Shorter</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[John Calvin]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>From my trip to Geneva last summer for the festivities to celebrate John Calvinâ€™s 500th birthday I still recall the indignation of a professor from the University of Zurich during his plenary presentation. He complained about Calvinism as the designation for Protestants who come from the Swiss Reformation. Obviously, he has a point since the… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/10/a-reformed-protestant-by-any-other-name-has-to-be-shorter/">Read More&#8594;</a></p><p>The post <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/10/a-reformed-protestant-by-any-other-name-has-to-be-shorter/">A Reformed Protestant by Any Other Name Has to Be Shorter</a> appeared first on <a href="http://oldlife.org">Old Life Theological Society</a>.</p>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://oldlife.org/files/2010/10/rose-bud.jpg"><img src="http://oldlife.org/files/2010/10/rose-bud-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-792" /></a>From my trip to Geneva last summer for the festivities to celebrate John Calvinâ€™s 500th birthday I still recall the indignation of a professor from the University of Zurich during his plenary presentation.  He complained about Calvinism as the designation for Protestants who come from the Swiss Reformation.  Obviously, he has a point since the Reformed churches started well before Calvin was a Protestant.  What is more, Geneva was a bit of an outlier in the Swiss Confederation, not joining until the 19th century (though it was an ally of Bern which brought Geneva in closer relationship to Switzerland).  And during the Reformation itself, Geneva and Zurich were not always on the best of terms.  The Consensus Tigurinus (1549) is one indication of an effort by Calvin and Bullinger to bury the butter knife.  </p>
<p>The primacy of Zurich to Geneva and of Zwingli to Calvin means that Calvinism is a misnomer.  Should the better name be Zwinglian?  Well, the Lutherans might find that agreeable â€“ as in the Reformed finally own up to their real convictions on the Lordâ€™s Supper.  But Zwingli died in 1531 and hardly spoke for a body of churches that were just emerging (Geneva had yet to reform its church).  </p>
<p>Another disadvantage of Calvinism is that it abstracts a doctrine of salvation from the church and sacraments â€“ as in John Piper is a Calvinist.  Piper may share Calvinâ€™s view of the five points, but does he follow Calvin on church polity or the Lordâ€™s Supper?  And why would the doctrines of grace determine the nature of Calvinism more than worship or the church?  </p>
<p>Of course the advantage of Calvinist is that it is shorter than Reformed Protestant.   At three syllables, Calvinist weighs in right there with Lutheran and Anglican, meaning you donâ€™t have to exert yourself to identify as a Calvinist.  Reformed Protestant is a five-syllable mouthful; Reformed Protestantism is no quicker to say.  RP might work but the Covenanters already have that moniker cornered.  </p>
<p>So we may be stuck with Calvinism.  But all Reformed Protestants, that is, those Protestants different from Lutherans and the Church of England, who identify with like-minded saints in places like Hungary, Poland, France, Scotland, the Netherlands, and the Palatinate, should feel a pang of remorse when identifying their ecclesial heritage as Calvinist â€“ sort of the way readers of Wendell Berry feel guilty when turning the ignition of their car and burning more fossil fuel.  </p>
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		<title>If Reformed Needs To Be Distinguished from Puritan, Why Not Presbyterian?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Some historians of seventeenth-century British Protestantism are dismissive of attempts to distinguish between Puritans and Presbyterians. Part of the problem, of course, involves definitions and categories. When it comes to politics, differences between Presbyterians and Puritans do not become clear until the 1650s with the regime of Oliver Cromwell since Puritans in Parliament joined forces… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/06/if-reformed-needs-to-be-distinguished-from-puritan-why-not-presbyterian/">Read More&#8594;</a></p><p>The post <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/06/if-reformed-needs-to-be-distinguished-from-puritan-why-not-presbyterian/">If Reformed Needs To Be Distinguished from Puritan, Why Not Presbyterian?</a> appeared first on <a href="http://oldlife.org">Old Life Theological Society</a>.</p>]]></description>
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<p>Some historians of seventeenth-century British Protestantism are dismissive of attempts to distinguish between Puritans and Presbyterians.  Part of the problem, of course, involves definitions and categories.  When it comes to politics, differences between Presbyterians and Puritans do not become clear until the 1650s with the regime of Oliver Cromwell since Puritans in Parliament joined forces with Presbyterians to do battle with the Stuart monarchy partly on the basis of the Solemn League and Covenant.  When it comes to religion, Puritans and Presbyterians shared an intense and introspective piety that again makes differentiating them seemingly pointless.  </p>
<p>I was surprised to read, then, in his treatment of John Owen Carl Truemanâ€™s distinction between Puritan and Reformed.  On the one hand, he argues that Puritan, at least with reference to Owen, is an unhelpful category.</p>
<blockquote><p>First, . . . there is little consensus on exactly what constitutes a Puritan, let alone the reification of that elusive essence in the phenomenon known as Puritanism.  Second, whatever else Puritanism is, it is fairly minimalist in terms of theological content â€“ if John Milton, the quasi-Arian counts as a Puritan, for example, we can scarcely include even that most basic of Christian distinctives, the doctrine of the Trinity, in our definition. Third, Puritanism has, on the whole, far too parochial a range to allow us to see the full context of Owenâ€™s thinking. . . . Thus, the use of a category like â€œPuritanism,â€ which brings with it all manner of narrowly parochial connotations, really needs to be deployed very carefully and in very specific contexts if it is to be at all helpful in our understanding of [Owenâ€™s] thought.</p></blockquote>
<p>The category that Trueman prefers to apply to Owen is Reformed Orthodoxy since it â€œis at once both more easily defined and less limiting that the category of Puritanism.â€  By Reformed Orthodoxy Trueman means:</p>
<blockquote><p>. . . the tradition of Protestant thought which found its creedal expression on the continent in such documents, as, among others, the Belgic Confession, the Heidelberg Catechism and the Canons of Dort, and in Britain in the Westminster Assemblyâ€™s Confession of Faith and Larger and Shorter Catechisms.  Historically speaking, the immediate roots of this tradition are to be found in the work of Reformers such as Huldrych Zwingli, Johannes Oecolampadius, Martin Bucer and, a generation later, such men as John Calvin, Heinrich Bullinger, Peter Martyr and Pierre Viret. (Trueman, <em>John Owen: Reformed Catholic, Renaissance Man</em>, pp. 6-7)</p></blockquote>
<p>This is helpful, but it does raise a couple questions.  First, since the Parliament that called the Westminster Assembly was dominated by Puritans, is it so easy to distinguish the Puritanism of Parliament from the Reformed orthodoxy of the Westminster Assembly, especially since Puritans were not in short supply at the Assembly?  </p>
<p>The other questions concerns the original oldlife effort to distinguish Presbyterianism from Puritanism.  If Presbyterians adopted the Westminster Standards as their churchâ€™s confession, then that would appear, following Trueman, to make them not Puritan but part of Reformed Orthodoxy.  In which case, if Puritanism lacks substantial theological content and is not synonymous with the work of the Westminster Assembly, is distinguishing Presbyterianism from Puritanism really so peculiar? </p>
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		<title>Muslims and Protestants Together?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 22:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Among the many juicy bits of history packed into Philip Benedictâ€™s Christâ€™s Churches Purely Reformed comes the item about the Ottoman insurgence into the Holy Roman Empire. Turns out the influx of Muslims into formerly Roman Catholic territories was a boon to the Reformed faith, especially in Hungary which gave us the Magyar Reformed Church.… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/05/muslims-and-protestants-together/">Read More&#8594;</a></p><p>The post <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/05/muslims-and-protestants-together/">Muslims and Protestants Together?</a> appeared first on <a href="http://oldlife.org">Old Life Theological Society</a>.</p>]]></description>
				<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://oldlife.org/files/2010/05/hungarian-reformed-church.jpg"><img src="http://oldlife.org/files/2010/05/hungarian-reformed-church.jpg" alt="" title="hungarian reformed church" width="212" height="300" class="alignleft size-full wp-image-522" /></a>Among the many juicy bits of history packed into Philip Benedictâ€™s <em>Christâ€™s Churches Purely Reformed</em> comes the item about the Ottoman insurgence into the Holy Roman Empire.  Turns out the influx of Muslims into formerly Roman Catholic territories was a boon to the Reformed faith, especially in Hungary which gave us the Magyar Reformed Church.</p>
<blockquote><p>Not only was the church largely decapitated in the central portions of the kingdom (i.e., Hungary), much of the parish clergy fled before the Ottoman onslaught, leaving nearly four-fifths of the localities in Ottoman-controlled regions without parish priests.  Finally, the new rulers of the portions of the kingdom had neither the liberty nor the inclination to pursue the campaign against heresy.  Ferdinand (Roman Catholic and from the Habsburg dynasty) was so busy with his military campaigns that he had little time to concentrate on the problem of heresy within his lands.  Furthermore, he depended heavily on Protestant support within the empire for tax revenue to help fight the Ottomans, which prompted him to favor negotiation over repression in dealing with the problem.  The Ottoman authorities looked for religious leaders who might cooperate with them as they strove to organize their control over their recently conquered territories and stem the flight of the population from the region.  They were thus prepared to give evangelical preachers a free hand to proselytize so long as they respected Ottoman authority. </p>
<p>. . . . In the Ottoman-controlled regions, wandering preachers had a free hand.  Mihaly Sztairai (d. 1575), a Paduan-educated ex-Franciscan who was the chief evangelist of the western portion of Ottoman Hungary, reported to a Viennese correspondent in 1551 that he had been able to preaching throughout the region for the previous seven years.  In the process, he claimed, he and his fellows had founded some 120 congregations. (pp. 274, 275)</p></blockquote>
<p>Now thatâ€™s church growth.</p>
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