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		<title>Where&#8217;s Waldo Wednesday: What&#8217;s At Stake?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Dick Gaffin]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[James Buchanan]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[John Murray]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Louis Berkhof]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[ordo salutis]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[The recent show at Reformed Forum on union with Christ has generated a lively exchange (some of which spilled over to Old Life). As he did at Old Life, David has produced a number of quotations from Reformed theologians on the ordo salutis that suggest the unionists have their work cut out for them if… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2011/11/wheres-waldo-wednesday-whats-at-stake/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent <a href="http://reformedforum.org/ctc200/#comments">show at Reformed Forum</a> on union with Christ has generated a lively exchange (some of which <a href="http://oldlife.org/2011/09/wheres-waldo-wednesday-the-power-to-confuse/">spilled over to Old Life</a>).  As he did at Old Life, David has produced a number of quotations from Reformed theologians on the ordo salutis that suggest the unionists have their work cut out for them if they are going to claim that John Murray or Dick Gaffin hung the union moon.  For instance (thanks to David):</p>
<p>Berkhof wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>The sinner receives the initial grace of regeneration on the basis of the imputed righteousness of Christ. Consequently, the merits of Christ must have been imputed to him before his regeneration. But while this consideration leads to the conclusion that justification logically precedes regeneration, it does not prove the priority of justification in a temporal sense.</p></blockquote>
<p>A. A. Hodge wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>The second characteristic mark of Protestant soteriology is the principle that the change of relation to the law signalized by the term justification, involving remission of penalty and restoration to favor, necessarily precedes and renders possible the real moral change of character signalized by the terms regeneration and sanctification. The continuance of judicial condemnation excludes the exercise of grace in the heart. Remission of punishment must be preceded by remission of guilt, and must itself precede the work of the Holy Spirit in the heart. Hence it must be entirely unconditioned upon any legal standing, or moral or gracious condition of the subject. We are pardoned in order that we may be good, never made good in order that we may be pardoned. We are freely made co-heirs with Christ in order that we may become willing co-workers with him, but we are never made co-workers in order that we may become co-heirs.</p>
<p>These principles are of the very essence of Protestant soteriology. To modify, and much more, of course, to ignore or to deny them, destroys absolutely the thing known as Protestantism, and ought to incur the forfeiture of all recognized right to wear the name.</p></blockquote>
<p>And James Buchanan wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>It has sometimes been asked—Whether Regeneration or Justification has the precedency in the order of nature? This is a question of some speculative interest, but of little practical importance. It relates to the order of our conceptions, not to the order of time; for it is admitted on all hands that the two blessings are bestowed simultaneously. The difficulties which have suggested it are such as these,—How God can be supposed, on the one hand, to bestow the gift of His Spirit on any one who is still in a state of wrath and condemnation,—and how He can be supposed, on the other hand, to justify any sinner while he is not united to Christ by that living faith which is implanted only by the Spirit of God? But such difficulties will be found to resolve themselves into a more general and profound question; and can only be effectually removed, by falling back on God’s eternal purpose of mercy towards sinners, which included equally their redemption by Christ, and their regeneration by His Spirit. The grand mystery is how God, who hates sin, could ever love any class of sinners,—and so love them, as to give His own Son to die for them, and His Holy Spirit to dwell in them. The relation which subsists, in respect of order, between Regeneration and Justification, is sufficiently determined, for all practical purposes, if neither is held to be prior or posterior to the other, in point of time,—and if it is clearly understood that they are simultaneous gifts of the same free grace; for then it follows,— that no unrenewed sinner is justified,—and that every believer, as soon as he believes, is pardoned and accepted of God.</p></blockquote>
<p>All of which leads to the point that the Reformed tradition has not been uniform on the ordo salutis.  How could it be since the ordo is one of the great mysteries of the faith &#8212; the Spirit of God working invisibly in the hidden corners of the human soul?  </p>
<p>If the Reformed tradition has witnessed (and by implication tolerated) a variety of views on the ordo salutis, what is so crucial to the unionist position?  One answer might be historical.  Today&#8217;s church has neglected a doctrine that has been central to the Reformed tradition.  But is union solely the possession of Reformed Protestantism?  Last I checked, Luther believed in and taught union with Christ.  And so have various Reformed theologians who then proceeded to situate union in relation to the application of redemption in a variety of ways.</p>
<p>Another answer is that the gospel is at stake in the doctrine of union.  I sometimes believe that unionists sound as if getting union right is on the order of fidelity to the gospel.</p>
<p>Or it could simply be a matter of doctrinal fine tuning.  If we spend a little more time on union then other matters of the faith become clearer or pastorally beneficial.  </p>
<p>But given the decibel level of unionists&#8217; arguments (not to mention the length of their interviews), I am not sure that historical accuracy or a doctrinal tune-up is an adequate explanation.  That would leave the gospel as the matter at stake in debates over union.</p>
<p>If anyone can help me understand the union ruckus, I&#8217;d be grateful.  </p>
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		<title>An Anniversary that Deserves More than a Mug</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[J. Gresham Machen]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Shameless Selves Promotion]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Cornelius Van Til]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Danny Olinger]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[E. J. Young]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[John Muether]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[John Murray]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Ned Stonehouse]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Orthodox Presbyterian Church turns 75 today. Festivities have so far included lectures, presentations from the General Secretaries of the Assembly&#8217;s standing committees, a banquet tonight, and the opportunity to purchase handsome coffee mugs. Thankfully, the Assembly&#8217;s organizers resisted the chief temptation of our time &#8212; t-shirts (which are fine to wear under shirts with… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2011/06/an-anniversary-that-deserves-more-than-a-mug/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://oldlife.org/files/2011/06/OPC-75.jpg"><img src="http://oldlife.org/files/2011/06/OPC-75-e1307801504547-225x300.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="200" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1083" /></a>The Orthodox Presbyterian Church turns 75 today.  Festivities have so far included lectures, presentations from the General Secretaries of the Assembly&#8217;s standing committees, a banquet tonight, and the opportunity to purchase handsome coffee mugs.  Thankfully, the Assembly&#8217;s organizers resisted the chief temptation of our time &#8212; t-shirts (which are fine to wear under shirts with collars but should be reserved for the boudoir or basketball court).  </p>
<p>The OPC has also produced <a href="http://www.opc.org/publications.html">two new books</a> to mark the event, <em>Confident of Better Things</em>, a collection of essays edited by John Muether and Danny Olinger, and <em>Between the Times: The Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Transition, 1945 to 1990</em> by yours truly.  </p>
<p>The latter title covers a number of important episodes during the period when second generation Orthodox Presbyterians decided what to do with the legacy and heritage of Machen, Van Til, Murray, Stonehouse, Young, and Woolley.  It includes chapters on the creation of the Trinity Hymnal, the formation of Great Commission Publications, Westminster Seminary&#8217;s relationship to the OPC, relations with the PCA and RPCES, and the demise of the <em>Presbyterian Guardian</em>.  </p>
<p>One of the more interesting parts of this middle period was the OPC&#8217;s desire and protracted effort to merge with the Christian Reformed Church.  To honor the anniversary and whet readers&#8217; appetites, the following is an excerpt from chapter seven, &#8220;The OPC and the Christian Reformed Church, 1956-1973&#8243;:</p>
<blockquote><p>The OPC&#8217;s dependence on theologians and churchmen from immigrant backgrounds characterized its first three decades of existence and gave to the denomination a unique character and international outlook.  Westminster Seminary was the source of this foreign presence.  Names such as Cornelius Van Til, Ned B. Stonehouse, and R. B. Kuiper were not common fare among American Presbyterians.  And even though John Murray&#8217;s name was more common than Dutch family names among Presbyterians whose ties to Scotland and Ireland were apparent in the colonial era and first half of the nineteenth century, even his Presbyterianism &#8212; the Scottish Free Presbyterian Church &#8212; differed in important respects from the American tradition out of which the OPC came.  Yet, the OPC did not simply find a place for these foreign Calvinists, as if the church were a haven for the world&#8217;s Reformed masses struggling to be free.  If anything these Dutch and Scottish Calvinists helped to preserve the conservative Presbyterianism they had learned at Princeton Seminary and that Machen had established at Westminster.  In turn, these hyphenated Presbyterians helped to define the the OPC.  Because the denomination had emerged from the northern Presbyterian mainline church, it was obviously American in its formal expressions.  But because of the presence of foreign leadership &#8212; a point that the OPC&#8217;s critics never tired of making &#8212; the church was also un-American.</p>
<p>The Dutch-American connection was particularly strong and a significant influence upon the OPC&#8217;s ecumenical relationships before 1970.  Here the ties went back again to Old Princeton.  Geerhardus Vos&#8217; decision to complete his theological studies &#8212; after transferring from Calvin Seminary &#8212; at Princeton Seminary and Princeton&#8217;s subsequent appointment of Vos in 1892 as professor of biblical theology established a unique kinship between conservative American Presbyterians and Dutch-American Calvinists of which the OPC was practically the sole beneficiary.  Of course, the relationship also benefitted the Dutch communion.  As an ethnic religious body on the margins of Anglo-American culture and Protestantism, the CRC was naturally looking for ways to assimilate.  Conservative Presbyterians at Princeton and Westminster were particularly attractive half-way houses from ethnic isolation to mainstream respectability.  But again, not to be missed in this relationship is the leadership of Dutch-Americans within the OPC.  The church did not merely provide a comfortable home for ethnic Calvinists who hoped to be successful in the United States on American terms.  In fact, the situation was almost the reverse.  The OPC became a comfortable home for Reformed orthodoxy and Presbyterian practice because hyphenated Calvinists assumed positions of leadership in the denomination.  </p>
<p>The downside of ethnic leadership, as disaffected critics never ceased to mention, was the OPC&#8217;s difference from other conservative Protestants who followed the ethos and piety of American Christianity more than a Reformed faith less encumbered by United States developments.  The upside was an ability to see the Reformed faith without the blinders of national pride or patriotic civil religion.  So appealing was this international Calvinism that the OPC almost decided to unite with the Christian Reformed Church.  In fact, at a time when American Protestants were increasingly identifying Christianity with the American &#8220;way of life,&#8221; the OPC was contemplating ways to establish closer ties to Dutch-American Reformed Protestants.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Weaker Bayly Brothers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 22:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Piety with Excitement]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[David Bayly]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[strong and the weak]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have apparently offended a weaker set of brothers. Since the offense occurred on-line, perhaps an on-line mea culpa is in order. The problem though, as is usually the case with weaker brothers, is that these brothers don&#8217;t think they are weaker. They think I am. My error happened during a discussion of what sort… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2011/01/weaker-bayly-brothers/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://oldlife.org/files/2011/01/mr_clean_logo.jpg"><img src="http://oldlife.org/files/2011/01/mr_clean_logo-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-894" /></a>I have apparently offended a weaker set of brothers.  Since the offense occurred on-line, perhaps an on-line mea culpa is in order.  The problem though, as is usually the case with weaker brothers, is that these brothers don&#8217;t think they are weaker.  They think I am.  </p>
<p>My error happened during a <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/12/09/what-we-owe-presbyterians-or-presbyterian-justice/">discussion</a> of what sort of actions are just or fitting regarding oneâ€™s membership in a Presbyterian communion.  Tim Kellerâ€™s own understanding of justice was the basis for thinking not only about what Christians might owe to their neighbors but also their fellow brothers, sisters, and overseers in the Reformed faith.  </p>
<p>The comments progressed and the along came the Baylys with their big foot on the matter of abortion.  Tim, I believe, intervened with his usually loving touch:</p>
<blockquote><p>Fifty comments by the most eminent among us filled out with accolades from their admirers and nary a word about the 1,300,000 unborn children slaughtered on our doorsteps, blood running in our gutters and bones in our dumpsters year after bloody year, decade after obscene decade.</p>
<p>When the question of conflict with the civil magistrate is brought up, examples are sodomites, Palestinians, African Americans, and Third Reich Jews.</p>
<p>Not a word about the unborn. Not a word about the greatest injustice in the history of man.</p>
<p>Well over a billion victims felled by this bloody oppression and neither Darryl Hart nor The Prince can quite remember it. The murders are carried out on their doorsteps day after day, many by souls in their congregations, but in a discussion of justice and civil disobedience, that particular injustice doesnâ€™t quite make the cut. Itâ€™s not in their memory bank. It doesnâ€™t tug at their minds or hearts.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now here is the offense, apparently, though Tim (Bayly, that is) never specified the precise error (or sin?).  I was carrying on a conversation about justice.  The specific context was the justice that Presbyterians owe other Presbyterians.  And my failure was not to mention the slaughter of innocents.</p>
<p>If I apply what Paul writes about weaker brothers in Romans 14, I need to start from the perspective that speech is itself not unclean.  Paul writes in 14:20 that nothing is unclean in itself.  That means that I was not wrong to speak.  The further implication of Paulâ€™s assertion is that speaking or writing about justice is also not unclean (two negatives adding up to the positive of â€œcleanâ€).  So far, I think Iâ€™m okay.</p>
<p>But then along comes Tim and says that to speak without mentioning abortion, or to speak about Presbyterian justice without mentioning the slaughter of innocents, is unclean.  His <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2010/12/tim-in-another-forum-there-was-a-discussion-of-a-certain-gentlemans-new-book-on-the-christians-pursuit-of-justice-fifty-c.html#more">explanation</a> was that he â€œfound instructive . . . the absence of any discussion of abortion.â€  But since Tim has gone on record and declared 2k to be deserving of anathemas, he would seem to think that the discussion at Old Life was more than instructive.  It was wicked.</p>
<p>The implication here is that Tim and David are like the weaker brothers in Romans and Corinthians who could not bear to watch other Christians eat meat offered to idols.  They actually do what Paul professedly forbids: they declare something good (a conversation about Presbyterian justice) to be evil; and they judge other Christian brothers for not mentioning abortion even though Paul says we should not judge each other for either talking about abortion or not mentioning it: â€œLet not him who eats (talks about abortion) despise him who abstains (silence about abortion), and let not him who abstains (silence) pass judgment on him who eats (talks); for God has welcomed him.  Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or fallsâ€ [3-4].  </p>
<p>John Murray has a very <a href="http://www.reformedliterature.com/murray-the-weak-and-the-strong.php?print=on">helpful essay</a> on Romans 14 that explains the logic of Paulâ€™s instruction and also elaborates the enmity that often afflicts the weaker brother.  First, on the nature of the weakness:</p>
<blockquote><p>While it is true that there is nothing unclean of itself; it does not follow that all have the knowledge and faith and strength to use all things. In this matter of conduct we have not only to consider the intrinsic rightness of these usable things but also the subjective condition or state of mind of the person using them. There is not in every person the requisite knowledge or faith. Until understanding and faith have attained to the level of what is actually true, it is morally perilous for the person concerned to exercise the right and liberty which belong to that person in Christ Jesus. The way of edification is not that conduct should overstep the limits of knowledge and faith or to violate the dictates of conscience, but for conscience to observe the dictates of understanding and faith. &#8220;Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.&#8221; The believer must always act out of consciousness of devotion to Christ and when he cannot do that in a certain particular he must refrain from the action concerned. We must remember that although nothing is unclean of itself; yet to him that reckoneth it to be unclean to him it is unclean. To use other terms, we must remember that though things are indifferent in themselves the person is never in a situation that is indifferent. Things are indifferent but persons never.</p></blockquote>
<p>In which case, if the Baylys really are weak, their weakness comes from an insufficient understanding of the faith or ignorance.  And what goes with this is often a sense of moral superiority.  The remedy for this, according to Murray, is further instruction in the faith:</p>
<blockquote><p>The weak must ever be reminded that their censorious judgment with respect to the exercise of liberty on the part of the strong is a sin which the Scripture condemns. &#8220;Let not him that eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.&#8221; &#8220;Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? To his own Lord he stands or falls. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord is able to make him stand&#8221; (Rom. 14:3, 4). The censorious judgment in which the weak are so liable to indulge is just as unequivocally condemned as is the contempt to which the strong are too prone. And with such condemnation there is the condemnation of the self-righteousness that so frequently accompanies such censoriousness.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, it could be that I am really the weaker brother.  It could be that I do not fully understand how I need to mention abortion in every conversation.  But if this were the case, is the <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2010/02/tim-where-have-good-card-carrying-evangelical-complementarians-shown-more-alacrity-in-signaling-their-commitment-to-keep-th.html">treatment</a> that I receive <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2010/02/thinking-about-the-utility-of-the-spirituality-of-the-church-yesterday-and-today.html">from</a> the <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2010/02/tim-darryl-hart-is-a-writer-and-director-of-partnered-projects-at-the---intercollegiate-studies-institute-he-first-made-hi.html">loving</a> and <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2010/09/beware-of-shepherds-justifying-their-heartlessness.html#more">pastoral words</a> of the Baylys really the way that the stronger should bear with the weaker?  Rebukes are one thing, but ridicule?  Wouldnâ€™t censoriousness, in fact, be the give away on which brother is weak or strong or whether both brothers are weak?  </p>
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		<title>More 2K Hysteria</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 12:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Brent Ferry]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Cornel Venema]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rabbi Bret apparently thinks he has another smoking gun to support his beef against 2k. Cornel Venema has written a review of The Law Is Not of Faith for the Mid-America Reformed Seminary journal and the good Rabbi is content to rely on reviews rather than actually read the book to bolster his vendetta against… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/11/more-2k-hysteria/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://oldlife.org/files/2010/11/Hysteria.jpg"><img src="http://oldlife.org/files/2010/11/Hysteria-150x150.jpg" alt="" width="150" height="150" class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-808" /></a>Rabbi Bret apparently thinks he has another smoking gun to support his beef against 2k.  Cornel Venema has written a review of <em>The Law Is Not of Faith</em> for the Mid-America Reformed Seminary journal and the good Rabbi is content to rely on reviews rather than actually read the book to bolster his vendetta against Westminster California..  </p>
<p>What is worth noting is that the gun Venema shoots doesnâ€™t smoke the way that Bret does.  Compare the following quotations, from Bret about the toxic nature of 2k, Venema on the authors views of republication (of the covenant of works), and also the heated words of the <em>Kerux</em> review (which Bret adds for good measure).</p>
<p>First <a href="http://ironink.org/index.php?blog=1&amp;title=mid_america_seminary_joins_northwest_sem&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&amp;tb=1&amp;pb=1#feedbacks">Bret</a>, ever charitable and ever showing the effects of listening to too much Rush:</p>
<blockquote><p>Even though R2K theology was disciplined in the Lee Ironsâ€™ case it has not yet been eliminated from the Reformed Church. This is due to the fact that R2K theology has many high profile Doctors (and at least one Seminary) who are dedicated to breathing life into this dismal theology. Dr. Venemaâ€™s work in the Mid-America Journal of Theology is one more effort to pull back the curtain to expose a committee of Ozzes who are working overtime to infect the whole Reformed Church with their virus theology.
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<p>Now from <em>Kerux</em>, more like Michael Medved than Rush, but nonetheless <a href="http://www.kerux.com/pdf/Kerux.24.03.pdf">guilty</a> of fear-mongering: </p>
<blockquote><p>The goal of Ferry and Feskoâ€™s contributions was to position the idea that the Mosaic covenant is in some sense a covenant of works within the mainstream Reformed tradition. However, because of their misquotations, misrepresentations, and (at times blatant) misreading of the primary documents, their essays are both significantly flawed.  Far from providing the Reformed churches a definitive settled word on the matter, they have only further muddied the already murky historical-theological waters on the Mosaic covenant in the Reformed tradition.  Though both authors attempt to write with a detached, objective, and â€œhistoricalâ€ tone, careful analysis reveals that both authors are governed far more by their polemical interests than they let on.  Their chief interest seems to be in legitimizing their own views on the Mosaic covenant rather than faithfully representing the consensus position of Reformed orthodoxy.  </p></blockquote>
<p>Curious that the waters of the Reformed tradition are murky, but Fesko and Ferryâ€™s motives are not.  I wonder what goggles you wear for that kind of vision.</p>
<p>And now <a href="http://ironink.org/index.php?blog=1&amp;title=mid_america_seminary_joins_northwest_sem_1&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&amp;tb=1&amp;pb=1#feedbacks">Venema</a> (thanks to Bret â€“ I have yet to see the review):</p>
<blockquote><p>Though Ferry cites Calvin as an example of this kind of formal republication (a forerunner to R2K Mosaic covenant as republication â€˜in some senseâ€™ of the covenant of works â€“BLM), I will argue in what follows that Calvin does not conceive of the Mosaic covenant as a republication of the covenant of works. Calvinâ€™s view is much closer to what Ferry terms a â€˜materialâ€™ republication view, (the view that in the Mosaic covenant we have a mere reiteration of the moral obligations that belong to the moral law of God in any of its distinct promulgations throughout the course of history) since Calvin affirms that the Mosaic Law reiterates the requirements of natural (moral) law that was the rule of Adamâ€™s obedience before the fall. The position Ferry terms a â€˜materialâ€™ republication view, is â€¦ the most common view in the Reformed tradition and hardly warrants being termed a â€˜republicationâ€™ of the covenant of works in any significant sense. Ferryâ€™s taxonomy here and throughout is rather confusing and, for that reason, unhelpful.</p></blockquote>
<p>A couple of matters worth pondering: 1) if Venema had issued warnings akin to what <em>Kerux</em> published or what Bret opines, the Rabbi would have quoted them.  So this is the best that Bret can do in finding ammunition against Westminster California.  Since Venema doesnâ€™t go near calling into question the faithfulness of ministers of the gospel, he is shooting blanks compared to Bretâ€™s own toxic bullets. </p>
<p>2) Has Bret or the reviewers of Kerux ever considered that Brent Ferry, a good friend and former student, did not attend Westminster California?  Now this could be proof the spread of the virus.  It could also mean that people who read sources â€“ not just reviews â€“ learn a thing or two about the Reformed tradition and even its variety and pluriformity.  In which case, Westminster California is not the font of these apparently objectionable  views.</p>
<p>Another point worth making is that Bret and Keruxâ€™s authors seem to think that Murray is on the orthodox side of matters covenantal.  I myself believe that Murray got more right than he got wrong.  But for a theologian, who questioned the reality of a covenant of works, to be held up as the standard of Reformed orthodoxy by which to bludgeon the contributors to <em>The Law is Not of Faith</em> is well nigh ironic.  If Bret and <em>Kerux</em>â€™s reviewers can look past some of Murrayâ€™s quirks, why not Ferry and Fesko?  </p>
<p>Finally, over at <a href="http://www.puritanboard.com/f31/venemas-review-law-not-faith-64085/">the Puritan Board</a> Venemaâ€™s review has provoked discussion and Mark Van Der Molen, who is to Kloosterman what T. H. Huxley was to Charles Darwin, says that Venemaâ€™s review raises the same â€œred flagsâ€ that the Kerux review did.  Well, not to put to fine a point on it â€“ Venema does not.  He does not hyperventilate about republication bringing down the witness of the Reformed churches.  Instead, he engages in an academic review.  Surely, an attorney should be able to spot the difference between a hostile witness and a lawyerâ€™s summary arguments.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Bret and Van Der Molen continue to ignore the CRC, the communion most worldviewish and Kuyperian.  If denying positing two kingdoms is leading churches astray, what happened to Bretâ€™s own communion where a world and life view is more synonymous with orthodoxy than the Canons of Dort.</p>
<p>If these guys can be so wrong about how to read texts and conditions within churches, why should we trust their analysis of the culture or politics?  The answer is â€“ no reason.</p>
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		<title>Forensic Friday: You Say Klinean, I Say Repristination</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the current issue of the Westminster Theological Journal, William Evans from Esrkine College, has an article offering a taxonomy of the current debates over the doctrine of union. In the repristinationist wing he puts Westminster California. He even specifies that the revisionism of Shepherd and Federal Vision provoked the repristinationist effort. The other group… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/05/forensic-friday-you-say-klinean-i-say-repristination/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://oldlife.org/files/2010/05/wscal1.jpg"><img src="http://oldlife.org/files/2010/05/wscal1-300x199.jpg" alt="" title="wscal" width="300" height="199" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-530" /></a>In the current issue of the <em>Westminster Theological Journal</em>, William Evans from Esrkine College, has an article offering a taxonomy of the current debates over the doctrine of union.  In the repristinationist wing he puts Westminster California.  He even specifies that the revisionism of Shepherd and Federal Vision provoked the repristinationist effort.  The other group in Evansâ€™ taxonomy is the Biblical Theology wing of Vos, Murray, and Gaffin.  Some of these distinctions among Shepherd/FV, WTS, and WSC seem a bit arbitrary since all sides claim to stand within the tradition of biblical theology (was anyone more biblical theological than Kline?).  What does separate these groups is the way each wing positions itself in relationship to the past, with Shepherd/FV (Mark Horneâ€™s ransacking of the 17th century notwithstanding) being the most novel, the Biblical Theological group extending back mainly to Vos (with a lot of use made of a particular section of Calvin) and the repristinators endeavoring to recover the sixteenth- and seventeenth-century categories for a stable theological program and church life.  </p>
<p>Which leads to the way in which Evans characterizes Westminster California:</p>
<blockquote><p>The overriding motive here is clear and laudable â€“ safeguarding the Reformation doctrine of justification by grace through faith.</p>
<p>   Here, first of all, we find a vigorous defense of the Law/Gospel hermeneutic.  If salvation is to be truly gracious, then law and gospel must be distinguished.  In contrast to the Revisionists, who view the Law/Gospel distinction as genetically Lutheran rather than Reformed, these figures stress the essential continuity of Lutherans and Reformed on this matter, although the attitude toward law is more positive than one finds among some Lutherans.  For example, there is consistent affirmation of the â€œthird useâ€ of the law (i.e., the law of God as a guide for the life of the Christian).</p>
<p>   Second, in keeping with this, there is vigorous defense of the conceptual apparatus of later federal orthodoxy, especially the bi-covenantal framework involving a Covenant of Works and a Covenant of Grace.  The covenant of works as an instantiation of the law principles is viewed as an essential guarantor of the Law/Gospel distinction.  Then, in order to underscore the gracious uniqueness of the New Covenant, the Mosaic Covenant is seen in part as a â€œrepublicationâ€ of the Covenant of Works.  There is also defense of a pre-temporal intratrinitarian Covenant of Redemption or <em>pactum salutis </em>between the Father and the Son, which is viewed as providing a foundation for the Covenant of Grace in theology proper. </p></blockquote>
<p>What is worth noting, aside from highlighting Evansâ€™ piece, is the omission of the worn out canard that Westminster California is simply channeling Meredith Kline.  In point of fact, WSC is trying, as Evans concedes, to hold on to the insights of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries.  As Mike Horton mentioned recently, that sure puts those complaints about Westminster Californiaâ€™s radicalism in a different light. </p>
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		<title>Forensic Friday: Murray on the Gospel</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 21:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Him who knew no sin he made to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him&#8221; (2 Cor 5:21). This clearly points us to the vicarious sin bearing of Christ as that which brought the reconciliation into being. This forensic character of the reconciliation is also borne out in… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/04/forensic-friday-murray-on-the-gospel/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
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&#8220;Him who knew no sin he made to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him&#8221; (2 Cor 5:21). This clearly points us to the vicarious sin bearing of Christ as that which brought the reconciliation into being.  This forensic character of the reconciliation is also borne out in verse 19 where &#8220;not reckoning to them their trespasses&#8221; is related to the reconciling of the world as the explantion of that in which the reconciliation consists or as that consequence in which it issues.  In either case, reconciliation has its affinities with the non-imputation of trespases rather than with any subjective operation.</p>
<p>   (d) This accomplished work of reconciliation is the message committed to the messengers of the gospel (ver. 19).  It constitutes the content of the message.  But the mesage is that which is declared to be a fact.  Conversion, it ought to be remembered, is not the gospel.  It is the demand of the gospel message and the proper response to it.  Any transformation which occurs in us is the effect in us of that which is proclaimed to have been accomplished by God.  The change in our hearts and minds presupposes the reconciliation. (Murray, <em>Redemption: Accomplished and Applied</em>, p. 41)</p>
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		<title>Where&#8217;s Waldo Wednesday</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Priority Although no fundamental issue of theology, or specifically of soteriology, would be at stake if regeneration were giving the priority in the application of redemption, yet the evidence shows that the call occupies this position. If we fail to accord to it the place which the exegetical considerations demand, we miss a great… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/03/wheres-waldo-wednesday-2/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
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<blockquote><p><strong>The Priority</strong></p>
<p>Although no fundamental issue of theology, or specifically of soteriology, would be at stake if regeneration were giving the priority in the application of redemption, yet the evidence shows that the call occupies this position.  If we fail to accord to it the place which the exegetical considerations demand, we miss a great deal of the emphasis of Scripture and are also liable to overlook what belongs to its specific and distinguishing character.  The key passage evincing its priority is Romans 8: 29, 30.  There are so many indication of order in this passage that we are compelled to regard the apostle as enunciating the order: calling, justification, glorification, in verse 30, and also establishing calling as the act of grace directly joined to predestination, and as that which in the realm of application brings the latter to expression.  Other passages, particularly those in the Pauline epistles, create the strongest presumption in favour of the conclusion which Romans 8:29, 30 would require (cf. 1 Cor. 1:9; Gal. 1:15; 2 Tim. 1:9; 1 Peter. 2:9; 5:10; 2 Pet. 1:10). (John Murray on â€œThe Callâ€ in <em>Collected Writing</em>s, vol. 2, pp. 161-62.)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>John Murray on the Priority of the Forensic</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The basic question is: How can man be just with God? If man had never sinned the all-important question would have been: How can man be right with God? He would continue to be right with God by fulfilling the will of God perfectly. But the question takes on a radically different complexion with the… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/01/john-murray-on-the-priority-of-the-forensic/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>The basic question is: How can man be just with God?  If man had never sinned the all-important question would have been: How can man be right with God?  He would continue to be right with God by fulfilling the will of God perfectly.  But the question takes on a radically different complexion with the entrance of sin.  Man is wrong with God.  And the question is: How can man become right with God?  This was Luther&#8217;s burning question. He found the answer in Paul&#8217;s Epistles to the Romans and the Galatians, that we are justified by faith alone, through grace alone . . . .</p>
<p>It is to be acknowledged and appreciated that theologians of the Roman Catholic Church are giving a great deal of renewed attention to this subject, and there is a gratifying recognition that &#8220;to justify&#8221; is &#8220;to declare to be righteous&#8221;, that it is a declarative act on God&#8217;s part.  But the central issue of the Reformation remains.  Rome still maintains and declares that justification consists in renovation and sanctification, and the decrees of the Council of Trent have not been retracted or repudiated. . . . </p>
<p>Renovation and sanctification are indispensible elements of the gospel, and justification must never be separated from regeneration and sanctification.  But to make justification to consist in renovation and sanctification is to eleiminate from the gospel that which meets our basic need as sinners, and answers the basic question: How can a sinner become just with God?  The answer is that which makes the lame man leap as an hart and the tongue of the dumb sing. . . . Why so? It is the righteousness of God by faith of Jesus Christ.  This is not God&#8217;s attribute of justice, but it is a God-righteousness, a righteousness with divine properties and qualities, contrasted not only with human unrighteousness but with human righteousness.  And what his righteousness is, the apostle makes very clear.  It is a free gift. . . </p>
<p>When Paul invokes God&#8217;s anathema upon any who would preach a gospel other than that he preached, he used a term which means &#8220;devoted to destruction&#8221;.  It is a term weighted with imprecation. . . . To the core of his being he was persuaded that the heresy combated was aimed at the destruction of the gospel.  It took the crown from the Redeemer&#8217;s head.  It is this same passion that must imbue us if we are worthy children of the Reformation. . .<br />
(<em>Collected Writings</em>, vol. 1, 302-304)  </p></blockquote>
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