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		<title>One Way to Tell the Difference between Two-Kingdom Theology and Its Critics</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two-kingdomers want Reformed ministers to avoid compromising entanglements like those surrounding chaplains in the U.S. military. Critics of 2k want to keep women out of the military. That difference says a lot about the way each side views the church and the nation. Thanks to Tim and David Bayly for reminding me of this important… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2011/10/one-way-to-tell-the-difference-between-two-kingdom-theology-and-its-critics/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two-kingdomers want Reformed ministers to avoid compromising entanglements like those surrounding chaplains in the U.S. military.  Critics of 2k want to keep women out of the military.  That difference says a lot about the way each side views the church and the nation.</p>
<p>Thanks to <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2011/10/rev-coffins-views-on-church-and-state.html#comments">Tim and David Bayly</a> for reminding me of this important difference.  In their typically slash-and-burn manner, they demean David Coffin, a well-respected PCA pastor and long-time defender of the spirituality of the church, for an interview in which Coffin said that mixing religion and politics was a &#8220;kind of apostasy.&#8221;  The nerve.</p>
<blockquote><p>It should be noted that the man who advocates a strict separation of Church and state in this interview is the same man who told my brother Tim, during the 2002 General Assembly debate, that the PCA should not oppose women serving as combatants in the U.S. Armed Forces.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s a minister of the Word of God pedantically parsing his Biblical obligations in such a way that he can justify turning an official blind eye to one of the most depraved aspects of our culture&#8217;s destruction of women&#8211;almost as bad as urging them to kill unborn babies in their wombs.</p>
<p>To lodge his Uriah Heapish kowtowing to our culture&#8217;s attack on motherhood in the Westminster Standards is ludicrous. Has David read Reformed history&#8211;any at all?</p>
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<p>Umm, the answer would be, yes.  In fact, I&#8217;m betting Dave has read more Reformed history than the Bayly boys put together.</p>
<p>Mind you, I&#8217;m not wild about women serving in the military, nor about men for that matter who have to fight in places that would not matter to the United States if our nation had not super-sized its republican form and become an empire.  I can certainly understand how mixing men and women in military situations could be a problem for tactical purposes.  But I&#8217;m not sure that the Bible has a lot to say about the matter such that the church would call it &#8220;sin.&#8221;  And I&#8217;m not sure that you would want to tell grandma Machen that she was wrong to defend her northern Virginia farm from Union soldiers who had designs on her chickens and cutlery during the Civil War.  May not women defend themselves, their homes, or even their nation if circumstances warrant?  Would the Baylys really conclude that a German woman, who could have saved the lives of her Jewish neighbors by shooting a Nazi soldier, should not pull the trigger because such an act would degrade her womanhood?</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the brothers B, who <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2008/05/syncretistic-pr.html">know</a> about the pressures upon Reformed chaplains to compromise their convictions, don&#8217;t seem to mind ordained pastors serving as chaplains.  The 2k objection to chaplains does not stem from anti-military prejudices or indifference to the spiritual needs of soldiers who are honorably and courageously serving their country.  The problem for 2kers is that Reformed chaplains are having to submit to rules and work not only with liberal Protestant chaplains but also officers (some of them women &#8212; look out Tim and David!!!) from other faiths.  Conservative Reformed churches would never allow this kind of cooperation in ecumenical or parachurch organizations.  Some Presbyterian churches will not even join the National Association of Evangelicals because such membership would mean turning a blind eye to Arminianism.  But the Baylys remain surprisingly calm when it comes to Reformed ministers serving alongside female Methodist chaplains in the military of the greatest nation on God&#8217;s green earth.</p>
<p>So once again, the anti-2k side takes an absolute stand on a debatable position, doubling down on the sex front of the culture wars.  Meanwhile, 2kers avoid the culture wars for matters that directly bear on the witness and integrity of church officers.  </p>
<p>If the Baylys actually knew Reformed history, they would understand they are on the wrong side of the Old School-New School controversy.</p>
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		<title>To Ask and Tell, or Not to Ask and Tell: This is the Contradiction</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 22:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Bret McAtee]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rabbi Bret is baaaaaaack from vacation (apparently) and he didnâ€™t waste anytime piling on his favorite virus â€“ the infectious disease known as Radical 2K. He reports that the URCNA Synod has decided to send a letter to the U.S. Armed Services official, drafted by the Presbyterian and Reformed Joint Commission on Chaplains and Miltary… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2010/08/to-ask-and-tell-or-not-to-ask-and-tell-this-is-the-contradiction/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://oldlife.org/files/2010/08/female-chaplain.jpg"><img src="http://oldlife.org/files/2010/08/female-chaplain-300x199.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="199" class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-675" /></a>Rabbi Bret is baaaaaaack from vacation (apparently) and he didnâ€™t waste anytime piling on his favorite virus â€“ the infectious disease known as Radical 2K.  He reports that the URCNA Synod has decided to send a <a href="http://urcnasynodreports.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/prjc-pca-sample-letter-dadt.pdf">letter</a> to the U.S. Armed Services official, drafted by the Presbyterian and Reformed Joint Commission on Chaplains and Miltary Personnel (PRJC), that petitions the Pentagon to to hold the line on the current military policy â€“ â€œdonâ€™t ask, donâ€™t tell.â€  </p>
<p>In the current state of affairs, the various branches of the military do not inquire about the sexual orientation of personnel.  But if the Obama administration has its way, â€œdonâ€™t ask, donâ€™t tellâ€ will cease and instead gays and lesbians will be able to come out of the closet.  According to the PJRC letter, such a change of policy might force conservative Protestant chaplains to resign because their teaching and preaching of Godâ€™s word, especially on homosexuality, will open them to the charge of discrimination.  The new policy might even force chaplains those passages in Scripture where God condemns homosexuality.  </p>
<p>Bret <a href="http://ironink.org/index.php?blog=1&amp;title=united_reformed_church_north_america_rep&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&amp;tb=1&amp;pb=1#comments">interprets</a> this URCNA decision as a major smack down of two-kingdom theology.</p>
<blockquote><p>Despite the ongoing assault against Biblical Christianity from Westminster West Seminary and itâ€™s specious Radical Two Kingdom Theology the URCNA rightly voted to weigh in on a â€œcommon realmâ€ issue with an almost unanimous vote to resist, by way of appeal, the US Militaryâ€™s overturning of â€œdonâ€™t ask, donâ€™t tell.â€ Apparently the Synodical body was not persuaded by the R2Kt ratiocination and argumentation that the Church has no business speaking beyond the realm of the Church. With this vote there can be no doubt that the URCNA has implicitly rejected, root and branch, the foreign theology now commonly referred to as â€œR2K.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>One would have thought that after a well-deserved break from pastoral duties and service at Synod the good rabbi would not be so quick to hyperventilate about the meaning of this news.  I can think of any number of better indications than this letter that the URC has repudiated 2k.  Do the formation of a study committee or an actual report with recommendations against 2k come to mind?  But if this gets Bret through the night without having to use his inhaler, so be it.  </p>
<p>At the same time, Bret may want to regroup and consider that the policy that PRC now favors â€“ â€œdonâ€™t ask, donâ€™t tellâ€ â€“ was precisely the one they opposed back when President Clinton introduced it during his first weeks in office.  Maybe Bret was running for Senate or doing something time consuming like that, but Reformed communions like the <a href="http://www.opc.org/GA/homosexuality.html">OPC</a> and <a href="http://www.pcahistory.org/pca/2-399.html">PCA</a> both sent letters in 1993 informing the president of the Bibleâ€™s teaching about homosexuality.  These communications were supposed to provide the official cover for Reformed and Presbyterian chaplains whose consciences might be violated by openly gay soldiers and officers taking up duties under their charge.  In a contest between church and state, supposedly, the chaplains could now appeal to the explicit teaching of their own communions.  </p>
<p>What is important to remember, though, is that these letters, also hatched by the Presbyterian and Reformed chaplains, came in reaction to the policy that the PRJC now supports.  In which case, in the name of biblical Christianity, the PRJC has reversed course and determined that â€œdonâ€™t ask, donâ€™t tellâ€ is just fine and that Obama will damage the military and the nation if he tinkers with allowing gays now in the closet, to come out. </p>
<p>So the question for Bret and supporters of the PRJC is this: is this what healthy 1k looks like?  Can the church really change its mind about the policies the Bible requires?  Or is it simply the case that the Bible opposes whatever a Democratic president proposes?  (Could a GOP Study Bible be in the offing?)</p>
<p>Even more troubling is the propensity for the chaplains from Reformed communions to manifest their opposition to homosexuality to the exclusion of other sins that the Bible also condemns.  I wonder why PRJC doesnâ€™t instruct the president about the idolatry of Mormon worship or the blasphemy of the Roman Catholic Mass?  Surely there are Mormons and Roman Catholics out of the closet in the military.  Some of them are likely chaplains.  Does PRJC think that Clinton and Obama understand the regulative principle of worship but need help with the seventh commandment?  Or is it that PRJC thinks sexual sins are more eggregious than false worship?  </p>
<p>It could be a tough call since the Westminster Standards allow that not all sins are equally offensive.  But if sexual sins are more objectionable than liturgical infidelity (youâ€™d have trouble proving that from Israelâ€™s experience), then why not go after porn in the military, or divorce, or adultery among heteros?  I personally donâ€™t buy the logic â€“ on display in spades in <em>American Beauty</em> â€“ that the biggest homophobes are really gay.  But if PRJC wanted to avoid that sort of canard from the Hollywood left, why not send a letter or two to the president about stealing and lying?  </p>
<p>Mind you, I understand at least some of the difficulties that gay rights create for our society and the Armed Services.  Rabbi Bret is well within his duties as a citizen to register his concerns.  But I sure wish heâ€™d get his facts straight (no pun intended) about biblical teaching and the PRJC&#8217;s flip-flop on donâ€™t ask, donâ€™t tell.  </p>
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		<title>Military Chaplains &#8212; What&#8217;s Up with That?</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have long wondered about the propriety of military chaplains. Mind you, I know some military chaplains and even have them for friends. But the complications to jure divino Presbyterianism that come from ministering as an agent of the state pale in comparison to the sort of ministerial promiscuity that goes on among the denominations… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2009/09/military-chaplains-whats-up-with-that/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have long wondered about the propriety of military chaplains.  Mind you, I know some military chaplains and even have them for friends.  But the complications to <em>jure divino</em> Presbyterianism that come from ministering as an agent of the state pale in comparison to the sort of ministerial promiscuity that goes on among the denominations (both liberal and non-Protestant) represented in the chaplaincy.</p>
<p>And sometimes you find support for your views in the oddest of places.  I was reading John Frame&#8217;s book, <em>Evangelical Reunion</em>, recently and came across this:</p>
<blockquote><p>A fellow minister in my presbytery is a navy chaplain.  He is a pretty strict Calvinist, zealous to maintain doctrinal purity in the church.  He would, I have no doubt, strongly oppose any candidate for the Presbyterian ministry who was charismatic in his theology.</p>
<p>Yet, in a recent report of his work as a chaplain, he told the presbytery that God had given him a fellow worker who was a member of the Assemblies of God. The chaplain rejoiced, for this worker was a real evangelial believer who proclaimed the gospel. There was little if any conflict between them; the theological difference seemed small compared with the great gap between the Christian and the non-Christian servicemen.</p>
<p>I could not help but remark (mentally!) that my fellow Presbyterian was rejoicing in a kind of alliance that he would certainly repudiate within his denomination.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ding! Ding! Ding!</p>
<p>Of course, Frame was using this as an argument for greater unity and cooperation among Presbyterians and evangelicals.  But can&#8217;t it also be used to pull the plug on ordaining men as military chaplains?</p>
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