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		<title>Speaking of Ecclesiastical Authority</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 10:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt Tuininga has been engaged in a debate with Brad Littlejohn (and Steven Wedgeworth and, of course, Peter Escalante because wherever Steven goes, Peter does) about 2k. Matt is sitting on an essay that attempts to refute Littlejohn (et al) about the spiritual nature of the kingdom of Christ. Ever since Wedgeworth reviewed VanDrunen&#8216;s Natural… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2012/05/speaking-of-ecclesiastical-authority/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Tuininga <a href="http://matthewtuininga.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/blowing-a-myth-that-goes-back-to-the-credenda-agenda-a-challenge-to-the-calvinist-international/">has been engaged in a debate</a> with Brad Littlejohn (and Steven Wedgeworth and, of course, Peter Escalante because wherever Steven goes, Peter does) about 2k.  Matt is sitting on an essay that attempts to refute Littlejohn (et al) about the spiritual nature of the kingdom of Christ.  Ever since <a href="http://www.credenda.org/index.php/Theology/two-kingdoms-critique.html">Wedgeworth reviewed VanDrunen</a>&#8216;s <em>Natural Law and Two Kingdoms</em>, I have been dumbfounded by a reading of 2k which puts the church&#8217;s institutional arrangements in the temporal realm and locates Christ&#8217;s authority entirely in the realm of the Spirit&#8217;s rule in believer&#8217;s hearts.  One example of why this may be stupefying comes from an <a href="http://calvinistinternational.com/2012/05/14/tuiningas-kingdoms-and-the-reformed-tradition-a-response-to-the-two-kingdoms-and-the-reformed-tradition/">essay by Littlejohn</a> which concludes this way:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mr. Tuininga has insisted that we do not need to assume that two-kingdoms thinking entails the rejection of distinctively Christian action in the civil kingdom, of things like Christian education or Christian worldview thinking, as Hart and VanDrunen have suggested.  But without challenging the basic parameters of their dualism, it is hard to see how he will succeed.  Fundamentally, those attempting to re-establish this kind of two-kingdoms thinking will find that the Cartwrightian vision is an illiberal one, in which a clerocracy of human authorities within the Church may claim divine sanction for their teachings and their rulings about what constitutes the conditions for membership in Christ’s kingdom,[11] and what shape Christian life in the world must take, thus undermining both the freedom of the church and the state.  Much as the modern R2K theorists proclaim their Liberal credentials, they have not changed the fundamental schema, and it is thus no wonder that so many Reformed churches of this stripe suffer from an atmosphere of legalism, authoritarian dogmatism, and spiritual tyranny.</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, communions like the OPC and the PCA (and I guess Doug Wilsons&#8217; CREC) are clerocracies where spiritual tyranny reigns.  I would have thought this view of the institutional church close to an Anabaptist reading.  But I suppose that Littlejohn is following Hooker.  How the church as a temporal authority, ruled by an earthly monarch, is going to be any less tyrannical, even if its reach only goes to externals, is a mystery.  Still, a view that divorces the spiritual character of the keys of the kingdom from the actual administration of the word through preaching and discipline (i.e., the means of grace) is a mystery possibly only resolved by content analysis of the drinking water in Moscow, Idaho.  </p>
<p>Not to be missed, by the way, is that the 2k position advocated by the likes of VanDrunen and me, is designed to distinguish those areas where the church has real authority (the Word) from those where Christians have liberty (the rest of life) as their consciences determine.  In which case, Littlejohn is wrong to see the modern revival of 2k as a return to ecclesiastical tyranny.  It is, instead, an effort to recover Christian liberty from the pious intentions and historical circumstances of some in the Reformed world eager to assert the Lordship of Christ without sufficient qualification.</p>
<p>Tuininga is eager to correct Littlejohn, not so much on his reading of Hooker, but on Calvin.  </p>
<blockquote><p>Calvin is absolutely clear here that he is distinguishing the spiritual government of the church by the pastors and elders, through the means of the keys of the kingdom, from the political government of the magistrates. He clearly draws in the distinction between the two kingdoms in 3.19.15 when, referring to 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Romans 12:28, he declares that Paul is not discussing the magistrates, but “those who were joined with the pastors in the spiritual rule of the church.” Here again Calvin makes it evident that when he is talking about the “spiritual rule” of the church he is not talking about some immediate governance of the invisible church. He is talking about the concrete government exercised by pastors and elders on behalf of Christ. Christ himself governs through these men: “Christ has testified that in the preaching of the gospel the apostles have no part save that of ministry; that it was he himself who would speak and promise all things through their lips as his instruments.” Calvin maintains that Christ’s spiritual government is exercised through the ministry of the church, in its fourfold office. (4.11.1)</p>
<p>Calvin’s views here have to be understood in the context of the willingness among the Zwinglians and Lutherans to cede church discipline to the civil government on the basis of the type of two realms interpretation that Wedgeworth attributes to Calvin.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some of this is simply a historical debate of whether Cartwright or Hooker was closer to Calvin.  But the bigger issue is that of ecclesiastical authority: do ministers when they go into the pulpit and members of sessions and consistories when they deliberate with church members actually hold the keys of the kingdom or does Christ reserve them for himself and the Spirit?  It sure would be hard to read the Westminster Standards or the Three Forms of Unity in a way the severed spiritual authority from real blooded ministers and elders.  But, as odd as it sounds, some critics of 2k &#8212; some who even circulate among the getting-over-theonomy-ranks of James Jordan and Peter Leithart &#8212; believe the version of 2k on the rise in the OPC and elsewhere is authoritarian.  Holy cow!  If only Littlejohn and Wedgeworth (and Escalante) could spend a few days with the crazy Baylys or their fellow Gordon-Conwell alum, Tim Keller, that is, with those who expand church power over every square inch.  </p>
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		<title>New England Theology Unmedicated</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2012 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[David Bayly]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Richard Lovelace]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[For all of the efforts to link certain contested views with a southern California city, why has no one spotted the ties between Tim Keller, Tim Bayly, David Bayly, Richard Lovelace, and Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary? Why not a South Hamilton Theology? After all, all of the above (except for the seminary, which is independent like… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2012/04/new-england-theology-unmedicated/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all of the efforts to link certain contested views with a southern California city, why has no one spotted the ties between Tim Keller, Tim Bayly, David Bayly, Richard Lovelace, and Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary?  Why not a South Hamilton Theology?  After all, all of the above (except for the seminary, which is independent like Westminster California), are Presbyterians of the New School variety.  That is, unlike the Old School which at least made a place for the spirituality of the church as part of its understanding of ministry, these New England New Schoolers believe the church should transform culture.  It may be the hard transformation advocated by the Baylys, or the soft variety coming out of Keller&#8217;s Redeemer NYC. But it is transformation nonetheless and it goes hand in hand with Lovelace&#8217;s high esteem for revivalism, pietism, and the quest for personal and social holiness.  </p>
<p>Speaking of hard, the Baylys&#8217; <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2012/03/two-sobering-things-have-hit-me-in-the-past-twenty-four-hours-neither-is-in-the-slightest-degree-surprising-except-that-bot.html#more">recent rant</a> about 2k is jaw dropping in its invective.  Here are a few savory bits:</p>
<blockquote><p>The brave members of the Escondido Theology R2K Sanhedrin out at Westminster Seminary (Escondido) wage war against pastors and elders who warn their flocks and neighbors about the growing bloodshed and totalitarianism of these United States. Old people are regularly murdered, little babies are subject to the wholesale slaughter protected by SCOTUS and all its law enforcement apparatus, these evils will only grow under Obamacare&#8217;s nationalized healthcare&#8230;</p>
<p>Meanwhile the R2K Sanhedrin is desperate to silence all those Reformed voices speaking out against the Third Reichification of nursing homes and hospitals and Ethical Review Committees.</p>
<p>You have, of course, noticed all those Reformed pastors and elders speaking out against the Third Reichification of our hospitals and nursing homes, haven&#8217;t you? Likely you yourself have a Reformed pastor or session in your own community that regularly pickets your county nursing home. Your hospital. A graduate of Covenant Theological Seminary who writes letters to your state&#8217;s board of medical ethics&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Aside from mixing up their seminaries &#8212; coherence is not one of the Baylys&#8217; long suits &#8212; where do you go from an introduction like this?  How about here?</p>
<blockquote><p>Even if we thought the Escondido Theology R2K storm troopers were right in calling down fire from Heaven on pastors betraying their Gospel calling for politics, we&#8217;d look around and wonder where on earth these pastors and sessions are? I mean I have a pretty broad knowledge of the Reformed church in these United States and, for the life of me, I can&#8217;t think of even a single church anywhere that lets out a peep about politics or takes the first step toward clothing the naked public square as righteous Lot did.</p>
<p>These R2K men working hard to gag Reformed pastors and elders really have no one at all to gag. And they know it.</p></blockquote>
<p>This may explain the reference in the title to medication.  One of the indications of mania is conspiratorial thinking, which doesn&#8217;t let contrary evidence get in the way, no matter how close at hand it is.  The piece of evidence that might challenge this hysteria is the fact that no one has yet to shut down the Bayly Blog and it would be good of Tim and David to produce evidence of anyone attempting to silence them.</p>
<p>But the fault in my logic could be that I don&#8217;t understand that for the Baylys disagreement constitutes tyranny.  Just look at the way they jump from the martyrs of the early church (who last I checked actually lost their lives) to the contemporary social conservatives (who merely lose the respect of their fellow citizens, especially if they follow the logic of the Baylys). </p>
<blockquote><p>Intolleristas are bloodthirsty for exclusivists. It was this way with the Early Church under Rome and it&#8217;s this way with the Late Church under Western Secularism. Separation of church and state is the death of Christian evangelism and discipleship unless Christian evangelism and discipleship becomes as vapid as the R2K monomaniacs.</p>
<p>Christian life, worship, evangelism, and discipleship are utterly incompatible with Western Secularism&#8217;s pluralism. Every single time a man under the Lordship of Jesus Christ tries to clothe our naked public squares, he will be shouted down by those convinced they don&#8217;t have gods and they don&#8217;t worship and they are as broad-minded and tolerant as can be.</p>
<p>And if that man escapes the priests and priestesses of tolerance, on the way home he&#8217;ll be cornered by the R2K Sanhedrin who will beat the tar out of him for giving Reformed copaceticdom a bad name.</p></blockquote>
<p>I keep thinking that at some point some of the folks who have it in for 2k will back away from their prejudices because of nonsense like the Baylys&#8217;.  It would be like the kind of angst that fans of Indiana University basketball experienced when Bobby Knight was doing his impersonation of John McEnroe.  You might still root against 2k, but you might also begin to think that the case needs a better expression.  But apparently critics of 2k are so opposed that they will turn a blind eye to God&#8217;s law and common decency. </p>
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		<title>Can Frame, the Baylys, Kloosterman, Wilson, and Rabbi Bret Really Object to This?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[David VanDrunen (whose Dutch heritage should count for more than it does among the nattering nabobs of neo-Calvinist negativism) recently conducted an interview with the folks at Credo Magazine. Two of his answers are particularly useful for explaining 2k (thanks to the Outhouse). The first: I like to describe the two kingdoms doctrine briefly as… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2012/03/can-frame-the-baylys-kloosterman-wilson-and-rabbi-bret-really-object-to-this/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David VanDrunen (whose Dutch heritage should count for more than it does among the nattering nabobs of neo-Calvinist negativism) recently conducted an interview with the folks at <a href="http://www.credomag.com/2012/03/20/interview-with-david-vandrunen-on-two-kingdoms-theology/">Credo Magazine</a>.  Two of his answers are particularly useful for explaining 2k (thanks to the <a href="http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/caught-between-the-scylla-and-charybdis/">Outhouse</a>).</p>
<p>The first:</p>
<blockquote><p>I like to describe the two kingdoms doctrine briefly as the conviction that God through his Son rules the whole world, but rules it in two distinct ways. As creator and sustainer, God rules the natural order and the ordinary institutions and structures of human society, and does so through his common grace, for purposes of preserving the ongoing life of this world. As redeemer, God also rules an eschatological kingdom that is already manifest in the life and ministry of the church, and he rules this kingdom through saving grace as he calls a special people to himself through the proclamation of the Scriptures. As Christians, we participate in both kingdoms but should not confuse the purposes of one with those of the other. As a Reformed theologian devoted to a rich covenant theology, I think it helpful to see these two kingdoms in the light of the biblical covenants. In the covenant with Noah after the flood, God promised to preserve the natural order and human society (not to redeem them!), and this included all human beings and all living creatures. But God also established special, redemptive covenant relationships with Abraham, with Israel through Moses, and now with the church under the new covenant. We Christians participate in both the Noahic and new covenants (remember that the covenant with Noah was put in place for as long as the earth endures), and through them in this twofold rule of God—or, God’s two kingdoms.</p>
<p>The “transformationist” approach to Christ and culture is embraced by so many people and used in so many different ways that I often wonder how useful a category it is. If by “transformation” we simply mean that we, as Christians, should strive for excellence in all areas of life and try to make a healthy impact on our workplace, neighborhood, etc., I am a transformationist. But what people often mean by “transformationist” is that the structures and institutions of human society are being redeemed here and now, that is, that we should work to transform them according to the pattern of the redemptive kingdom of Christ. I believe the two kingdoms doctrine offers an approach that is clearly different from this. Following the two kingdoms doctrine, a Christian politician, for example, would reject working for the redemption of the state (whatever that means) but recognize that God preserves the state for good purposes and strive to help the state operate the best it can for those temporary and provisional purposes.</p></blockquote>
<p>The second:</p>
<blockquote><p>I don’t think the church has any different responsibilities in an election year from what it has at any other time. The church should proclaim the whole counsel of God in Scripture (which includes, of course, teaching about the state, the value of human life, marriage, treatment of the poor, etc.). But Scripture does not set forth a political policy agenda or embrace a particular political party, and so the church ought to be silent here where it has no authorization from Christ to speak. When it comes to supporting a particular party, or candidate, or platform, or strategy—individual believers have the liberty to utilize the wisdom God gives them to make decisions they believe will be of most good to society at large. Politics constantly demands compromise, choosing between the lesser of evils, and refusing to let the better be the enemy of the good. Christians will make different judgments about these things, and the church shouldn’t try to step in and bind believers’ consciences on matters of prudence. It might be helpful to think of it this way: during times when Christians are bombarded with political advertisements, slogans, and billboards, how refreshing it should be, on the Lord’s Day, to step out of that obsession with politics and gather with God’s redeemed people to celebrate their heavenly citizenship and their bond in Christ that transcends all national, ethnic, and political divisions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since <a href="http://greenbaggins.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/chapter-1-part-one-the-law-gospel-distinction/">recent kvetching</a> about 2k included the charge that the outlook has little substance and is hard to define, VanDrunen&#8217;s brief and clear responses should put to rest that particular complaint (especially for those too lazy to read the books that keep piling up on the 2k shelf).  These remarks should also end criticisms of 2k since I can&#8217;t imagine how anyone could object to them. Actually, I can imagine that some will object but have a hard time thinking that the objections will be anything but perverse.</p>
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		<title>2K Cherries 2Hot 2Handle</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The allegedly controversial character of 2k theology has prompted Lane Keister over at Greenbaggins to cease his review of John Frame&#8217;s recent book. He has also decided not to allow any more discussions of 2k at his blog. I understand Lane&#8217;s decision. I also concede that my sarcasm has contributed to his decision. For some… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2012/03/2k-cherries-2hot-2handle/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The allegedly controversial character of 2k theology has prompted Lane Keister over at Greenbaggins to <a href="http://greenbaggins.wordpress.com/2012/03/21/ceasing-my-review-of-frame/">cease his review</a> of John Frame&#8217;s recent book.  He has also decided not to allow any more discussions of 2k at his blog.  I understand Lane&#8217;s decision.  I also concede that my sarcasm has contributed to his decision.  For some reason, mocking someone&#8217;s objections does not bring out the best in those who object.</p>
<p>At the same time, some objections do no deserve a reasonable response.  In fact, some who object to 2k have so made up their minds about the idea and its proponents that they will hear nothing in defense of the doctrine; they won&#8217;t even read the books written on 2k.  </p>
<p>From the perspective of this 2k advocate who also doubles as a historian, two undeniable historical developments exist that 2k critics won&#8217;t accept &#8212; sort of like denying that the North defeated the South in 1865; you may not like it, but how do you deny what happened at Appomattox?</p>
<p>The first fact is that the critics of 2k do not advocate the execution of adulterers or heretics.  This is pertinent because 2k critics fault 2kers for departing from Calvin and his holy Geneva.  The problem is that the Baylys, Rabbi Bret, Nelson Kloosterman (and his favorite disciple, Mark Van Der Molen), Doug Wilson, and anonymous respondents at Greenbaggins don&#8217;t advocate the laws in Calvin&#8217;s Protestant Jerusalem.  To the credit of theonomists, they sometimes do advocate the execution of adulterers and even recalcitrant adolescents.  But 2k critics do not have the stomach for all of Calvin&#8217;s policies and laws.  In which case, they have no more claim to Calvin as a standard for religion and politics than 2kers do.  Yet, here&#8217;s the key.  2kers are honest.  They actually admit that they disagree with Calvin.  They actually acknowledge the deficiencies of those who try to follow the Old Testament for post-resurrection civil governments.  </p>
<p>The second fact of cherry-picking proportions is that all of the Reformed churches that belong to the North American Presbyterian and Reformed Council have rejected the teaching of both the Westminster Confession and the Belgic Confession on the civil magistrate.  Not only have the mainline churches revised  these confessions, but so have the conservative churches.  (Ironically, Frame thinks I am unaware of the American revision of WCF in his review of <em>A Secular Faith</em>.  This is ironic because if Frame were as aware of the revision as he thinks he is, he would see that 2k is not outside the confession that Presbyterians profess.)  These revisions do not necessarily mean that every officer and member of these churches is an advocate of 2k.  It does mean that the modern Reformed and Presbyterian churches have come to terms with modern governments and the disestablishment of Christianity in ways inconceivable to Reformed Protestants in the 16th and 17th centuries.  And this means that the critics of 2k are either unaware of how little standing the original WCF chapter 23 or Belgic Art. 36 has in conservative Reformed churches. Or if they know of confessional revision and use the original documents to denounce 2kers, they are dishonest.  </p>
<p>Or perhaps they are <a href="http://turretinfan.blogspot.com/2012/03/darry-hart-on-republication-overture.html">simply foolish</a> (and impolitely so). One of the additional points I made about the importance of the Reformed churches&#8217; teaching on the magistrate was this:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have said it before and will say again, even before the Covenanters revised their Constitution and rejected the language of WCF 23.1 which Tfan affirms, even before this, the RPCNA explored a merger with the OPC which had already adopted the American revisions to the WCF. In other words, the RPCNA had a very different view of the civil magistrate than the OPC did and did not let that difference keep them from fraternal relations with the OPC. I do not see that same generosity or acknowledgement of orthodoxy for 2kers from 2k’s critics.</p></blockquote>
<p>The fanatic of Turretin&#8217;s <a href="http://greenbaggins.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/chapter-1-part-one-the-law-gospel-distinction/#comment-95439">response</a> was this: &#8220;Again, this is total ad hominem. Try to focus on your defense of E2k, not at criticizing your critics.&#8221;</p>
<p>How this is ad hominem I do not know, though my Latin is rusty.  But even if in some fifth or sixth definition of ad hominem my comment qualifies, I do not see how this point is beside the point.  2k critics treat 2k not only as if it is entirely outside the bounds of confessional orthodoxy, but they also react to 2k as if it is a threat to the gospel.  They believe it is antinomian, destroys Christian schools, and abandons society to relativism.  But the RPCNA, even when they still affirmed the original WCF 23, did not consider teaching on the civil magistrate a deal breaker.  Critics of 2k, like John Frame, do.  </p>
<p>And some people like Lane Keister wonder why 2kers like me become sarcastically indignant.  But for those wanting to keep the debate going, they are welcome here.</p>
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		<title>Ron Paul, Two-K, and Manliness</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rabbi Bret may be surprised to learn that he is a sissy because he is supporting Ron Paul. That is the testosterone filled conclusion of the Brothers Bayly who in a recent post have asserted that two-kingdom advocates and Ron Paul supporters share a similar trait &#8212; distaff cowardice. (I am not making this up.)… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2012/02/ron-paul-two-k-and-manliness/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rabbi Bret may be surprised to learn that he is a sissy because he is <a href="http://ironink.org/2012/01/is-voting-for-ron-paul-a-pursuit-of-societal-salvation/">supporting Ron Paul</a>.  That is the testosterone filled conclusion of the Brothers Bayly who in a <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2012/02/ron-paul-is-to-national-politics-what-r2k-is-to-the-salt-and-light-of-the-church-both-paulites-and-r2kites-have-never-seen-a.html#more">recent post</a> have asserted that two-kingdom advocates and Ron Paul supporters share a similar trait &#8212; distaff cowardice.  (I am not making this up.)</p>
<blockquote><p>Ron Paul is to national politics what R2K is to the salt and light of the Church. Both Paulites and R2Kites have never seen a battle they want to fight. So instead they come up with sophisticated reasons why Little Round Top is the wrong hill to defend and Colonel Chamberlain&#8217;s bayonet charge was over the top. The wrong man led the wrong troops in the wrong charge using the wrong weapons at the wrong time and the wrong location.</p>
<p>In fact, watch these men closely and you find the only battle they&#8217;re willing to fight is the battle opposing battles. But of course, I use the words &#8216;battle&#8217; and &#8216;fight&#8217; quite loosely because both require courage. I don&#8217;t write this to demean them, but so readers will see the connection between their techniques, commitments, and character.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re the skinny boy in the corner of the schoolyard shouting &#8220;Nanny nanny boo-boo&#8221; at the real boys over on the baseball diamond trying to catch the ball, swing the bat, hit something, and run. Over in the corner of the playground with his back to the wall is R2K&#8217;s favorite cultural icon, Woody Allen, making jokes about how he refuses to play baseball because baseball is a stupid game with stupid rules played by stupid boys. But of course, he did try to play baseball once, and when the ball was flying toward his face, he misjudged where to put his mitt, he took his eye off the ball, and the ball hit him square in the face, and it really really hurt. He&#8217;s never forgotten it and now he makes fun of boys who play baseball.</p>
<p>All the boys who play baseball think he&#8217;s a coward, but he&#8217;s always surrounded by the other boys who got punched in the face with a baseball and decided never to play baseball again. They laugh at his jokes. Then there are the girls who never wanted to play baseball and don&#8217;t know a coward when they see one, and they think he&#8217;s kinda cute and sweet. They pity him for being an outcast and one day that pity will cause them to allow him to kiss them.</p></blockquote>
<p>On the level of politics, the Baylys are clueless and always have been since they <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2011/11/this-pic-ran-in-the-friday-october-13-1972-issue-of-the-trib-under-the-headline-mcgovern-tries-for-dupage-converts-presid.html">supported George McGovern</a> in 1972 (though Ron Paul is closer to McGovern on foreign policy than the Baylys know &#8212; talk about not fighting battles).  They are less interested in resisting tyranny than they are in establishing a regime of justice and morality.  They don&#8217;t mind ignoring the distinct responsibilities of institutions and the separate spheres established by documents like constitutions and confessions in order to apply their moral truths justly everywhere.  This puts their moral idealism much closer to the French Revolution than to the American, and makes their he-mannish bravery sound more like Robespierre than Madison.  To justify the reign of terror, Robespierre wrote: &#8220;Terror is only justice prompt, sever, and inflexible &#8212; it is then an emanation of virtue; it is less a distinct principle than a natural consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing wants of the country.&#8221;  Manly?  Sure.  Cruel?  You bet.  Despotic?  No doubt.  </p>
<p>On the level of biblical interpretation, I continue to wonder where their <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2012/02/getting-men-to-sing-in-worship.html#more">unrivaled affirmation of macho Christianity</a> finds a warrant in Scripture.  Was Jesus manly when he submitted to an unjust verdict and execution?  Was our Lord feminized when he told his followers to forgive seventy-times-seven?  Was Paul light in the loafers when he counseled moderation, self-control, and submission to authorities? </p>
<p>I get it.  Jesus is going to return and will judge sins and the sinners who commit them.  But the Baylys&#8217; antics suggests yet another form of immanentizing the eschaton &#8212; a rush to judge, confront, and topple in the name of Christ here and now.  They don&#8217;t seem to understand the inverse logic of the gospel.  Christ defeats Satan by dying.  The kingdom of grace beats the kingdom of Satan by forgiving sins.  I don&#8217;t particularly understand what chromosomes have to do with this.  </p>
<p>Postscript: I linked to one of the Baylys&#8217; posts about men singing and how the church needs hymns on judgment and justice triumphing over wicked men for men to sing with gusto.  This points to another part of the Baylys&#8217; errors.  They are also clueless culturally.  They have never witnessed big, beefy men &#8212; namely, <a href="http://youtu.be/DQy4xnKgt28">Welsh rugby players</a> &#8212; while singing their national anthem.  </p>
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		<title>The Bible is Not Off Limits But Only Settles So Much</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two of Old Life&#8217;s regular voices, Zrim and Jed, are having an interesting discussion &#8212; in response to a post questioning the political machinations of the hallowed Bonhoffer &#8212; about whether 2kers may legitimately appeal to the Bible in their civic duties. Zrim argues that the Bible forbids civil disobedience while Jed questions whether a… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2012/02/the-bible-is-not-off-limits-but-only-settles-so-much/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two of Old Life&#8217;s regular voices, Zrim and Jed, are having an <a href="http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2012/01/26/westminster-on-bonhoeffer/#comment-12226">interesting discussion</a> &#8212; in response to a <a href="http://wscal.edu/blog/entry/bonhoeffer-and-assassination">post questioning</a> the political machinations of the hallowed Bonhoffer &#8212; about whether 2kers may legitimately appeal to the Bible in their civic duties.  Zrim argues that the Bible forbids civil disobedience while Jed questions whether a 2ker may employ the Bible in this way.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Rabbi Bret <a href="http://ironink.org/2012/02/neither-a-borrower-nor-a-lender-be-or-rabbi-bret-contra-darryl-gnostic-hart/">responds</a> to me that his case for Ron Paul and paleo-conservatism come directly from biblical teaching on the fifth and eighth commandments.</p>
<p>Several points of clarification seem to be in order.  First, 2kers do appeal to the Bible. They do so in their personal lives all the time.  They even appeal to the Bible &#8212; you know, &#8220;my kingdom is not of this world,&#8221; does not come from Aristotle &#8212; to argue for legitimacy of 2k.  Two-kingdom theology is thoroughly biblical (or at least tries to be) and its advocates don&#8217;t let differences between the kingdoms prevent them from seeing that &#8212; to borrow a line from the old E. F. Hutton commercials &#8212; when the Bible speaks, believers listen.  As I have repeatedly insisted in different forums, the eighth commandment compels me to question whether I should shop at Walmart or at Gelzer&#8217;s Hardware.  After Sam Walton is not my neighbor, the one whose welfare I am supposed to seek.  But Mr. Gelzer is.  The Bible gives some instruction about economics.  I should try to apply to my life.  I don&#8217;t see how that is inconsistent with 2k because it is not.</p>
<p>Second, this appeal to the Bible does not mean that I may require Rabbi Bret to shop locally or Jed to drink only the beers made by San Marcos breweries.  Individual believers need to respect the consciences and interpretations of other believers.  Some may eat meat offered to idols, and others won&#8217;t.  Both will appeal to the Bible.  But appealing to the Bible doesn&#8217;t settle whether believers will act in the same way about a host of matters.</p>
<p>Third, the critics of 2k &#8212; aside from uncharitably disregarding 2kers&#8217; appeal to Scripture &#8212; can&#8217;t seem to fathom the difference between the claims made by individuals about biblical teaching and those of church officers and assemblies.  For instance, because the Baylys&#8217; believe the Bible compels them to protest at abortion clinics, they believe that church assemblies must call all believers to similar forms of protest.  They even go a step farther and think that anyone who dissents from their application of Scripture disobeys the Bible.  (Wow!)  Meanwhile, folks like Rabbi Bret don&#8217;t seem to understand that his appeal to the fifth and eighth commandments for paleoconservatism leaves little room in the church for other perspectives, such as the Covenanters, libertarians, Democrats, or monarchists.  Yet, the Reformed creeds insist that church assemblies should address only matters that are spiritual and ecclesiastical.  In other words, when the church speaks as institutional church, she must have a biblical warrant.  And that explains why the creeds don&#8217;t address education, math, or economics.  The Bible doesn&#8217;t require God&#8217;s people to have a uniform method of delivering education, a base-ten system of math, or a commitment to free markets.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that the Bible does not solve the problems that critics of 2k think it does.  If you believe in Christian liberty, which is premised upon the idea that Christians have liberty in matters where Scripture is silent &#8212; from whether or not to meet for worship at 11:00 on Sundays to whether or not to drive an SUV &#8212; then appealing to the Bible will not yield the unity or uniformity in politics or culture that Bible thumpers tout. </p>
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		<title>Can We Get A Little Love-the-Law Street Cred Here?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The shelf life on Tim Tebow is rapidly decreasing now that the Broncos ran into the Patriots&#8217; capacity for cheating. So before Ricky Gervais completely eclipses Tebow in water-cooler banter, a point needs to be made about the charges of antinomianism that two-kingdom theology continues to receive. (The latest comes in a post about Martin… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2012/01/can-we-get-a-little-love-the-law-street-cred-here/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shelf life on Tim Tebow is rapidly decreasing now that the Broncos ran into the Patriots&#8217; capacity for cheating.  So before Ricky Gervais completely eclipses Tebow in water-cooler banter, a point needs to be made about the charges of antinomianism that two-kingdom theology continues to receive.  (The latest comes in a <a href="http://firstword.us/2012/01/darryl-hart-on-mlk/">post about Martin Luther King, Jr.</a> that uses the Civil Rights leader to cast aspersions on your humble &#8212; all about me &#8212; blogger; on the eve of MLK Day no less.  The lack of charity among the lovers of the law continues to dumbfound.)  </p>
<p>I have been rooting for the Broncos&#8217; QB even if Tebow&#8217;s wear-it-on-your-cheek piety is not an Old Lifer&#8217;s preferred demeanor.  Tebow appears to be genuine in his devotion even if he could benefit from the oversight of a Reformed pastor.  But how can he possibly be a poster boy for evangelicals and the Religious Right when he flagrantly violates one of the Ten Commandments that many born-again Protestants want posted in court rooms and public school classrooms?  I get it.  How to interpret OT law is something that divides many Christians &#8212; and boy can theonomists be divisive about it.  But Tebow&#8217;s actions are hard to square with any traditional reading of the Decalogue.  In fact, U.S. Protestants used to be Sabbatarians through and through, and the NFL had to clear all sorts of Blue Laws in order to get its franchises off the ground (Saturday was already taken by college football, which was, and still is in some parts of the country, more popular than professional gridiron play.   </p>
<p>Evangelicals may be inconsistent &#8212; which of us is not (except of course for the epistemologically self-conscious)?  But the disparity between public statements and actions goes beyond the hobgobblin that afflicts small minds.  The Religious Right lauds traditional Christian morality and seeks it for the nation at large.  This is partly the rationale behind arriving at Rick Santorum as the evangelical alternative to Mitt Romney.  Never mind that Roman Catholics like Santorum were the object of some of those Protestant Blue Laws governing the Lord&#8217;s Day.  A <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/who-is-gods-quarterback-tebow-roethlisberger-and-american-evangelicalism/2012/01/05/gIQAS6VcfP_story.html">recent column</a> in the Washington Post (touted by <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2012/01/tim-tebow-ben-roethlisberger-and-rick-santorum.html#comments">the Baylys</a>) attempted to put a positive spin on the evangelical notion that righteousness exalts a nation.  It tried to extend the appeal of Tebow to his opposing QB last weekend &#8212; Ben Roethlisberger &#8212; who appears to be on the mend morally after recovering his evangelical roots.  The piece also argued that evangelical piety is much more important than evangelical politics.</p>
<blockquote><p>Tebow and Roethlisberger point to the essential aspects of evangelicalism, the ones that make it persist — its missionary, proclamatory character on the one hand, and its private, searching piety on the other. The former wants to appeal to the whole world, which is why Tebow’s family raised him not only to preach, but to persuade others with a winning demeanor. The latter wants a changed life; Roethlisberger, in evangelical parlance, rededicated his life to Jesus after a period of backsliding, because he knew no other way to break his pattern of misbehavior.</p>
<p>In Iowa, Santorum’s evangelical “surge” grossed him about 30,000 votes. That may constitute an evangelical moment, and it may inspire some observers to define evangelicals by their political behavior. But it is not a particularly large group from which to draw conclusions about the movement as a whole. Most evangelicals, like most Americans, don’t show up to the voting booth at all. Their political commitments are not nearly as strong as their faith commitments.</p></blockquote>
<p>Odd that this column says nothing about forgiveness of sins through the work of Christ as being crucial to evangelical piety.  Instead, it points to evangelicalism&#8217;s life-changing character and how its adherents lead moral lives.  If that is so &#8212; and there is some obvious truth to this &#8212; what about the elephant in the room of the way that evangelicals (in worship and on Sunday) seem to disregard the first table of the law?</p>
<p>What does this have to do with 2k?  Well, the critics of 2k never seem to notice that 2k advocates do care about the law and have defended especially the first table.  2kers are invariably Sabbatarian, defend the regulative principle of worship (derived from the Second Commandment), condemn the creation of images of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and fear the ways in which informality in worship may breach the Third Commandment&#8217;s call for avoiding profanity.  Meanwhile, the critics of 2k, who invariably want the entire nation to follow God&#8217;s law, look the other way when it comes to the church following all of God&#8217;s law.  Some of 2k&#8217;s biggest critics are advocates of contemporary worship and praise Christian football players who profane the Sabbath.  </p>
<p>So it is false to say that 2k leads to or promotes antinomianism.  2kers follow God&#8217;s law and defend it &#8212; all of it.  What seems to be 2kers problem is that we don&#8217;t apply the law selectively to public life.  That selectivity may not qualify as antinomian.  But it hardly constitutes the love of God&#8217;s law that 2kers allegedly lack or qualifies as honest.    </p>
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		<title>Any Tie to John Frame?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish so, but I don&#8217;t see one. Also, if a connection between the Baylys and the Gospel Coalition existed, I&#8217;d like to find it. But I can&#8217;t. Old Life is a responsible blog, after all. Though there is a Tim Keller reference here that is not of my doing (mmmmmmm TKNY). The Baylys have… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2011/12/any-tie-to-john-frame/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish so, but I don&#8217;t see one.</p>
<p>Also, if a connection between the Baylys and the Gospel Coalition existed, I&#8217;d like to find it.  But I can&#8217;t.  Old Life is a responsible blog, after all.</p>
<p>Though there is a Tim Keller reference here that is not of my doing (mmmmmmm TKNY).</p>
<p>The Baylys have <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2011/12/one-of-the-gravest-moral-issues-facing-us-today.html#comments">continued their hysteria</a> on matters sexual with a post about a New York Times article on toys and the way they reinforce differences between boys and girls.  </p>
<blockquote><p>Girl toys are responsible for gender apartheid. So says the New York Times. With its newspaper of record such a nag, could anyone really be surprised that Manhattan&#8217;s most marketable church is pervasively androgynous?</p></blockquote>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this a little like shooting fish in a barrel, sort of like the New York Times going after Pat Robertson to perform a dig at Christianity?  Do any of their parishioners in Toledo or Bloomington actually care what the New York Times says?  And do ministers of the gospel really want to pick Barbie dolls as a battle for the church militant?  </p>
<p>Still you can&#8217;t help but love the reference to Keller&#8217;s Redeemer Church.  As if Keller alone is responsible for gender confusion in the PCA, as if the residents of Toledo and Bloomington have thoroughly worked out a theology of sexual identity.  </p>
<p>And that raises a question the Brothers Bayly seldom if ever consider: if Keller is to blame for (and a symptom of &#8212; it is a sloppy two-way analytic street) what&#8217;s wrong with New York City and cosmopolitan culture in the U.S., are the Baylys to blame for what&#8217;s wrong with the American heartland (because they certainly are not a symptom)?  Can their cities really withstand the standards they set for Keller&#8217;s Manhattan?  Can any?  (By the way, could we please have a side of the gospel with that large plate of law?)  </p>
<p>Update: I believe I have discovered the <a href="http://andrewdionne.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/john-frames-the-escondido-theology-a-reformed-response-to-two-kingdom-theology/">tie</a> between <a href="http://framepoythress.wordpress.com/2011/12/31/the-escondido-theology-a-reformed-response-to-two-kingdom-theology/">Frame</a> and <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2010/03/tim-this-from-pastor-andrew-dionne-john--frames-review-of-michael-hortons-christless--chri.html">Tim and David Bayly</a>.  </p>
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		<title>If Only</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would even pay to see the video of the ESV translation committee if Tim and David Bayly were members. Here&#8217;s why: A Christian confesses his faith, today, when he stays married to the same woman until death. When he continues to name his race &#8220;man&#8221; rather than &#8220;humans&#8221; or &#8220;human beings.&#8221; When he chooses… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2011/11/if-only/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would even pay to see the video of the ESV translation committee if Tim and David Bayly were members.  <a href="http://www.baylyblog.com/2011/11/a-christian-confesses-his-faith-today-when-he-stays-married-to-the-same-woman-for-his-entire-life-when-he-isnt-at-all-inti.html#more">Here&#8217;s</a> why:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>A Christian confesses his faith, today, when he stays married to the same woman until death. When he continues to name his race &#8220;man&#8221; rather than &#8220;humans&#8221; or &#8220;human beings.&#8221; When he chooses a church where he&#8217;s sanctified rather than one where his wife is happy. A Christian confesses her faith, today, when she lets herself notice the beautiful diversity of manhood and womanhood, then calls attention to it.</em></p></blockquote>
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		<title>If I Liked Bunk, Can I Still Admire Joe Pa?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 20:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>D. G. Hart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Morality is alive and well on the airwaves of sports talk-radio. The ethical crisis of the moment is what did Joe Paterno know about the sexual abuse of boys by a former assistant coach and when did he know it. The issue has led to remarkable moral clarity for talk-show hosts who generally embrace views… <a href="http://oldlife.org/2011/11/if-i-liked-bunk-can-i-still-admire-joe-pa/">Read More&#8594;</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morality is alive and well on the airwaves of sports talk-radio.  The <a href="http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/11/06/penn-state-board-meets-with-news-of-criminal-case/">ethical crisis of the moment</a> is what did Joe Paterno know about the sexual abuse of boys by a former assistant coach and when did he know it.  The issue has led to remarkable moral clarity for talk-show hosts who generally embrace views that the Baylys associate with secularism and relativism in the United States. Why, <a href="http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/show/angelo-cataldi-the-morning-team/">Angelo Cataldi</a>, has even called for the firing of Joe Paterno for not controlling the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, the security forces of Penn State University, and not knowing every single aspect of the football program at PSU.  In other words, Joe Pa should be fired for not being God.</p>
<p>This is not a post about sexual abuse.  It is about ethical abuse.</p>
<p>First, Angelo and company have no apparent capacity to consider what friendships may do in preventing someone from leaning hard on a friend and colleague.  Would those who are calling for Paterno&#8217;s firing be so quick to decide so categorically to eliminate a friend or relative?  Isn&#8217;t one of the most persistent problems of human existence that moral ideals run up against personal allegiances all the time?  Does this make violations of an ethical code right?  No.  But the inability to imagine the angst that someone like Paterno may have gone and still be going through is the sort of one-dimensional outlook that prevents evangelicals and other pietists from ever reading novels that explore morally ambiguous circumstances.</p>
<p>For instance, Bunk Moreland is one of the great characters on <em>The Wire</em>.  And in Season Five Bunk knows what Jimmy is doing to bring a drug lord to conviction &#8212; namely, breaking the law and police regulations.  Bunk disapproves mightily of Jimmy&#8217;s misdeeds.  But Bunk never tells on Jimmy.  Was I outraged that Bunk didn&#8217;t rat?  Duh!  Bunk remains one of my favorite characters despite his moral weakness.  This is the stuff of life.  It is likely what Joe Pa has gone through many times.  (Of course, it could be that Paterno doesn&#8217;t care a wit about his former colleague or the boys the ex-coach abused.  But how someone could be that cynical and that morally self-righteous all in one gulp gives my brain indigestion.)  </p>
<p>But the moral crisis thickens when listeners remember that the show Angelo and company broadcast is sponsored by many gentlemen&#8217;s clubs where the lines distinguishing the righteous from the unrighteous are not so clear.  Granted, Angelo may argue that pedophiliac sex is not consensual, is if voluntarism justifies willful lying before a grand jury or driving eighty-one miles per hour on the Ohio Turnpike.  But last time I heard, human trafficking was one of the great illicit activities in our time and many of the women who come to the United States through human trafficking wind up in gentlemen&#8217;s clubs (see Season Two of <em>The Wire</em>).  And has Angelo ever considered that some of the people who engage in the activities that transpire in gentlemen&#8217;s clubs end up being hurt by such behavior &#8212; from sexually transmitted diseases to psychological and spiritual scars that will follow the dancers and their tippers around the rest of their lives?</p>
<p>So it is not at all clear that Angelo and others who self-righteously condemn Joe Paterno are all that free and clear from the moral law they so eagerly enforce.  </p>
<p>Will I be disappointed if it turns out that Joe Pa looked the other way too many times and didn&#8217;t seek to protect kids from lecherous men?  Yes.  But I am also disappointed in a talk-show host who (while driving my wife nuts when he talks about babes and boobs) is generally entertaining but so morally obtuse not to see that most days he should be disappointed in himself before pointing out the moral failings of others.</p>
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