From a recent review of Stonewall Jackson’s biography (thanks to our federal capital’s correspondent):
Though Jackson’s soldiers were in awe of him, he was a camp-and-battlefield tyrant who arrested and court-martialed subordinates for the slightest disappointment of his expectations. J. William Jones, an army chaplain and biographer of Robert E. Lee, believed that Jackson “probably put more officers under arrest than all others of our generals combined.” In August 1862, Jackson put a brigadier-general and five regimental commanders under arrest after discovering that some of their men had purloined, for firewood, a few rails from “a certain worm-fence at a little distance.”
But Jackson was also, for all his maniacal furies, a man of unusually intense Christian piety. James Power Smith, a member of Jackson’s staff, recalled that he “was that rare man . . . to whom religion was everything.” Beverley Tucker Lacy, a Presbyterian minister who served as a chaplain-at-large for Jackson’s troops, remembered that Jackson thought “every act of man’s life should be a religious act,” even “washing, clothing, eating.” Religion opened up in Jackson what amounted to a different personality. His prayers were “unlike his common quick & stern emphasis,” Lacy recorded. They were “tender, soft, pleading” and full of “confession of unworthiness.” He prayed with a self-effacement that carried “the doctrine of predestination to the borders of positive fatalism.”
One part Tim Bayly, one part John Piper.
Yowza.
Looks good:
And yet that piety led him to fight to defend slavery?
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The only thing worse was the movie.
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But, Curt, there were plenty of more staid believers in its defense (and hedonists opposed). Don’t be so quick to use your favored political hobby horse to impugn.
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Curt – Lord, how I wish things were as simple as you make them out to be.
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Curt, Jackson thought “every act of man’s life should be a religious act.”
Where else aside from OldLife do you hear a challenge to that conception? In fact, you are just as bad as Jackson since you can’t isolate notions of social justice from teachings about redemption.
Look in the mirror.
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I have thought that Jackson, for all his admirable courage, seemed to be more of a fatalist than a Calvinist. Riding on horseback behind his troops calmly while bullets whizzed by, he thought God would protect him regardless of what he did. Advised not to go out on patrol at night at Chancellorsville, he insisted and was shot by his own sentry. Contrast the story of his chaplain, Dabney, who was seen behind a large tree as bullets were whizzing by. The soldiers teased him later about why he didn’t believe God would protect him, and he retorted something like, “God did protect me, he planted that oak tree right there.”
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To all,
It isn’t the religion we where on our sleeve that counts. That is one of the lessons from Romans 2.
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Jackson also confused his role in war with Joshua’s etc. It was a crusade or holy war in his mind. Not because of slavery. He seemed to have a view that it was legal and therefore the divinely ordained order of things, at least for the present, although he taught a Bible class to slaves before the war. Like Lee, once the invasion was threatened, Jackson was ready to fight.
Too bad Meredith Kline was not around to teach Southern Presbyterians and Northern abolitionists that they weren’t living in a theocracy. Maybe they could have negotiated a better solution over time instead of believing that the nation needed to be cleansed of evil by war.
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DougH, True!
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DougH,
Kline was there, sort of, in the spirit of Stuart Robinson:
“The preacher’s business in the pulpit is to make Christians; and not free-soilers, Maine law men, statesmen, historians, or social philosophers. Are Bible principles never to be applied to the correction of the social evils of the day? …only so far as God applies them in the Bible, no farther. A minister does not cease to be a citizen and patriot because he has become a minister, but when he appears in the pulpit, he appears not as a citizen, but as God’s herald. …The importance of the soul’s redemption is transcendent. All social evils, all public and national ends, sink into trifles beside it.”
“I have simply contended, first, on the highest doctrinal grounds that the church had no function touching such political questions, and violated fundamentally, her great charter in meddling with them. And secondly, on the grounds of the highest Christian expediency, that the church sinned enormously in thus driving from her ordinances and influences into infidelity and Popery ten millions of the people to whom she has been commissioned to preach the gospel.” (letter to President Lincoln)
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Todd, Robinson’s letter to a President sure beats the BB’s sermon to a President.
http://baylyblog.com/blog/2009/06/sermon-president-and-people-god
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I sincerely hope Harry Reeder, Steve Wilkins, and Douglas Wilson are reading this.
I also recall an account from a Civil War era slave who watched her ‘missus’ pray and read scripture all morning long, and then when she arose from her piety, she beat her slaves with the rod.
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About Curt in about 100 years –
And that piety led him to buy goods from companies that used overseas slave-like labor to produce it’s goods?
Curt today – but but but but…
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Curt, is your reference to Romans specifically Romans 2:13?
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Brad, I think Curt is tapping in to his sense of irony, posting his religious thoughts publicly, about not wanting to “wear” your religion in your sleeve, like this guy.
Merry Christmas, yo.
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One need not agree with all of Jackson’s piety to admire the sincerity of his faith, practical trust in God, and ready obedience to duty. He lived in a Presbyterian world that at the same time staunch in conviction yet changed by the two Awakenings. He may have tended to fatalism which is not uncommon among Calvinistic men (such was my faither), but he did not so much think God would protect him as the God ordered his life. He said, “My faith teaches me to feel as safe on the battlefiled as in my bed.” When he asked his pastor if if should pray in the Prayer meeting and was told he should, he asked to be called on. When he was called on, he was so nervous he made a botch of it. The pastor resolved not to call on his again, but Jackson insisted that, if he had a duty to engage in public prayer, then the pastot should contintue to call on him, which the pastor did. He had a wonderful application of “pray without ceasing” saying that when he took a drink of water he gave thanks for it and when he put a letter in the mail he prayed for the recipient. When his wife told him he was going to die and aske if he were reconciled to it, he said, “I prefer it.” No Southerner is unmoved by his last words, “Let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees.”Jackson and Lee are heroes of mine and have been since boyhood, and you’ll not take my heroes from me by pointing out the obvious – that they were flawed, as are we all. At the same time it is hard for us, more flawed perhaps than they, to believe that they were men of sincere faith, Christian gentlemen, and brave.
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Bill, I’m sure you’ll take this in the spirit of the day — aren’t you just a Cracker standing up for another Cracker? See how sensitive I have become?
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I have ancestors who put on gray, but my sympathies are blue, and we do have a blue connection, also. I wonder many times if the southern Presbyterian Church of that time was confused about covenants, and were emphasizing the Sinai covenant (which would support slavery, people/nations bowing to Israel, or types of Israel – CSA). I am not a scholar on these issues, but I have seen the sermon texts which justify the white superiority over the slaves, and how ‘blessed’ the slaves were for being delivered out of Africa and it’s paganism and Islam. That type of thinking is Sinai language any way you slice it. But still, I have great respect for the men of honor in the conflict, on both sides. Some were fighting with the hope that they (the gray) could one day free their slaves, and some grays, (many, most, probably) were fighting to protect their homes and families. Still, the South was wrong – in principle. It’s such an important event in American history, and should always be studied, visited, and revisited for the lessons it can teach us for now and for the future.
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The obvious ‘elephant in the room’ was that the South was fighting to retain their economic engine of
‘King Cotton’ – which, like the fibers in a rope – required slave labor. But I do think that many southerners were fighting for different reasons,too. Yes, state’s rights also, but that was another fiber of the ‘rope’.
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Catton’s Stillness at Appomattox, I’m told on good authority, is worth it. I listened to this of his, on my commute, maybe 5 years ago. Civil war history is indeed fascinating. That’s all I got.
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Thanks AB – really appreciate it! I’ll be sure to look it up. It is an important event that deserves intense research and scholarship.
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It was Jim:
who told me about Catton. I’m told I have developed crushes on OPC elders, so watch out. Don’t know your story (reformed, you are? I imagine so), but glad you hang around the bar.
peace.
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I, being from NW FL am indeed a Cracker. I Virginian? Don’t think so. As for the burden of being Presbyterian y’all might consider Gardiner Spring, he of the infamous Resolution and of the Distinguishing Traits. Might try reading that work this afternoon for your comfort and joy. Reading all these comments confirms me tendency to attach the usual adjective to “Yankee.” And, as Stonewall, was wont to say. “Give ’em the bayonet, boys!’
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Curmudgeon, keep it cussed.
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Thank you Bill, I’m honored! Definitely, though, I will concede that the South had the style! The Union blues were just modest government issue…..
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Appreciate it AB – yes, I am Reformed and I do enjoy hanging around the bar here! Another Landshark, please…….
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Bill, have you not noticed that some born, bred, and buttered Yanks have here tried to stand up to other ones in their self-righteousness? Whatever their weaknesses, I thought southerners were bred with a courtesy that recognized friends when they saw them.
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Southerners are not monolithic, Steve. I don’t agree that “Still, the South was wrong – in principle.” I think the South had much the better of the Constitutional and historical argument. If a state voluntarily agreed to join the Union it seems reasonable it could disassociate itself. Then, the South did not make war on the North; the North made war on the South by invading it. Shelby Foote tells the story of a Northern soldier who asked a Southern soldier, “Why are you fighting?” and the Southerner replied, “Because y’all are down here.” On the two occasions when the South invaded the North (Antietam and Gettysburg) the South did so to try force negotiation that would lead to its independence, not for the purpose of conquering and occupying territory. On the other hand the North’s invasion of the South was to conquer and occupy, and Sherman made war on civilians and their homes. The South wanted simply to be let alone. Rather it got invaded and occuppied and to this day lives under laws that apply only to it. The whole country got from it a powerful central government. I can and have criticized the South. I hate the indirection and smiling while backstabbing that is so prominent among Presbyterians in MS. But, in the end these are my people.
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Thanks Bill; what is so curious, though, is that so many southerners say that the Civil War was the ‘War of Northern Aggression’, and yet, the very same lay claim to starting the conflict/firing the first shot.
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/life/2014/04/18/winter-building-witnessed-historic-downtown-events/7892075/
I do respect your views tremendously, and most of all, theologically, we are very close indeed, as your thoughts seem to be solidly Old Side/Old School.
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Bill, neither are Yanks monolithic, which was my only point. Some of us are sympathetic to your points (even if a bit anachronistic) and aren’t wild about others in our ranks throwing slavery in your face from high upon their horse at every opportunity (hi, Curt) . Surely we aren’t all to be damned head for head?
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Southern Bill, Edward Everett isn’t going to take your rebel sympathies without retaliatory verse: “Is there not some hidden curse,/Some chosen thunder in the stores of heaven,/Red with uncommon wrath to blast the man/that seeks his greatness in his country’s ruin?” (1862)
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Bill,
I appreciate you, my friend, and have read your blog with great interest and am so thankful to know of you and your ministry. I wish you were still in the PCA, but I do understand.
I know the Civil War discussions are ongoing, and there is so much to mine out of the event. I’m afraid that for a season of time anyway, the importance of the Civil War as a study and national memory is going to be lost for a generation(s) or until our nation is able to define itself. This would be a tragedy.
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Semper Reformanda,
I appreciate your comments. Part of the issue of dealing with Civil War discussions is parsing through “the Lost Cause” arguments which amount in some cases to diatribe instead of historical arguments. For a gentle response to Bill Smith, whom I also respect enormously, I recommend a book by a former Hillsdale College prof, Thomas Krannawitter, “Vindicating Lincoln.”
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Years ago I owned (and listened to) a Christ Church Moscow history conference tape set that included a Steve Wilkins lecture on Stonewall Jackson. I enjoyed it. Those conferences were pretty interesting. I think I remember a talk on Mencken of all people.
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Doug H – Advised not to go out on patrol at night at Chancellorsville, he insisted and was shot by his own sentry.
Erik – The same fate as Douglas C. Neidermeyer in Vietnam…
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For a 21st century military role model I prefer Dick Winters as portrayed by Damian Lewis in “Band of Brothers”. One of the best roles in one of the best things ever recorded on film.
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Richard,
Thanks for your kind reply on the Civil War and mutual respect for Bill – he is tremendous. I so appreciate the referral on the book also. I would like to look into that. Sorry I am late posting, but work started again and it’s been full-tilt.
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