The archbishop of San Francisco, Salvatore Cordileone (gotta love that name), is kicking up a lot of dust in Roman Catholic and California circles for the policies he has initiated within his parochial schools. Here‘s an example of what Cordileone has in mind:
We, the Archdiocesan High Schools, Acknowledge that some of our administrators, faculty or staff may not be Catholics and some may be Catholics who are struggling to achieve fidelity to some of the teachings of the Church, but we are all nevertheless called and required to stand as effective and visible professional participants and proponents of truly Catholic Education. As effective professionals in a Catholic School setting, we all – administrators, faculty and staff – are required and expected to avoid fostering confusion among the faithful and any dilution of the schools’ primary Catholic mission. Therefore, administrators, faculty and staff of any faith or of no faith, are expected to arrange and conduct their lives so as not to visibly contradict, undermine or deny these truths. To that end, further, we all must refrain from public support of any cause or issue that is explicitly or implicitly contrary to that which the Catholic Church holds to be true, both those truths known from revelation and those from the natural law. Those of us who consider themselves to be Catholics but who are not in a state of full assent to the teachings of the Church, moreover, must refrain from participation in organizations that call themselves “Catholic” but support or advocate issues or causes contrary to the teachings of the Church.
Some Roman Catholics wonder if Cordileone is in line with Pope France:
Cordileone suggests that he is in line with Pope Francis. In one way, he may be correct: It doesn’t appear that Francis is going to be changing any doctrine in the near future. But the whole world knows we have a pope who is focusing on Jesus’ message of love and inclusiveness and who has told Cordileone and his fellow culture warrior bishops to quit being obsessed with the sexuality issues. Our archbishop doesn’t even appear to be listening to his boss.
And if Pope Francis wants the church to come along side people who struggle with Roman Catholic teaching on marriage and sex, how is Cordileone helping the cause:
Cordileone stated that Catholics who endorse contrary views “create toxic confusion about our fundamental values.” But if Catholic couples, in the spirit of the pope’s recent comments, limit the number of children they have, is that toxic? If you are a little girl who is only here because science helped her mom and dad conceive her, is that toxic? If you are a 10 year old abused child and the only adoptive parents who want you are a loving, qualified gay couple, is that toxic? If you think that the civil rights of gays and lesbians should be protected, is that toxic?
Meanwhile, eight California legislators, mainly Democrat, are challenging the archbishop’s policies even as they raise questions about separation of church and state. In response, Cordileone wonders if the politicians would hire as campaign managers people who side with their political adversary in an election.
What may be the most provocative aspect of this controversy is what the archbishop’s reforms mean for the capacity of the Roman Catholic Church to achieve discipline. Isn’t this a case of an archbishop actually laying out policy in line with church teaching? If he can do it, why can’t others? And if others don’t follow Cordileone’s lead, why don’t Jason and the Callers reflect more on what this says about their communion where truth with a capital-T prevails (at least in theory)?
Jason allegedly wants to explore whether Humans can come up with a better story for why we are all here, than God can. I feel like I’m the only one who had a Jewish friend in second grade hand me Hitchhiker:
Round and round we go.
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Now if only Bryan would get this strict with Jason…
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http://literatecomments.com/2015/02/07/breaking-news-bryan-cross-publicly-affirms-his-continuing-support-for-jason-stellman/
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Though this is big news because it is unexpected and unheard of in recent decades, I do think there’s good reason for the Archbishop’s actions. The (non-parochial) schools that the Dutch Reformed immigrants have established are faced with the challenge of non-conforming staff members on a regular basis. The path of inclusion leads to a substantial demilitarized zone in which no one is permitted to address topics that were traditionally upheld by all Reformed people everywhere (chiefly infant baptism).
The only way this is a separation of church and state issue is if the parochial schools are somehow government funded.
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Erik, of course Bryan affirms Jason. In finding Roman Catholicism, Jason has won the lottery of life. He can go and be as bad as he always wanted to be, and all he needs to do is go back and rely on that Roman “2nd Plank of Salvation” (or 3rd, or 4th, or Xth, or X+1th, etc.)”.
Never might that Jason might find himself “suddenly cut off, and that without remedy” (Proverbs 29:1). Even if he doesn’t get to confession, so long as some priest gets to him with Last Rites while his dead body is still somewhat above room temperature, he’s fine! (I heard a priest say this — and that makes it infallibly true as “special revelation” — (principled means and all).
So don’t fret for Jason – he has found what he’s been looking for, for a long, long time – a “free pass” to hedonism.
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Is the “orientation to Mecca” also a “sacrament”? Or do you even need a professional for that?
http://www.crescentofbetrayal.com/VerifyingMeccaOrientation.htm
Is the efficacy of the “last rites” (administered by an ordained Trinitarian) more effective for “children of the covenant” than it is for those born outside the new covenant?
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Mark:
See http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c2a5.htm#1499 and ff.
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c2a5.htm#1499
Couple of snippets:
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Erik,
Bryan, like Jason, is a hoot.
One guy is Cat in the Hat, the other, is like you say, is like World B Free, you can’t stop ’em, the best you can do is hope to contain them.
Toodles.
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Pony person, I used to work with a guy who was a bigger cheapskate and moocher than me — I told him he should change his name to Food B. Free.
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CWU:
Between your stellar post on Super Bowl Sunday, and Chris’s today on the NeoCalvinist thread
I can safely say things are looking on the up and up.
Haven’t felt this good since I scored a par on that nasty hole 14 a year or two ago here my home course. Things are allllright, my brother.
Peace.
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Meanwhile, eight California legislators, mainly Democrat, are challenging the archbishop’s policies even as they raise questions about separation of church and state.
Typical Democrat anti-religous aggression. Hosanna-Tabor, Obama lost unanimously.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2015/archbishop-attacked-over-catholic-schools
However, more chilling is this
Earlier this week, after decades of dissent on many Catholic college campuses, the federal government—through the NLRB—has stepped in to assess whether the employees of Catholic colleges and universities are actually contributing to the religious mission of these institutions by “performing religious functions.” This is a new standard for evaluating religious objections to federal board oversight that was implemented in a unionization decision in December at Pacific Lutheran University. The NLRB knows that if the faculty actually uphold and advance Catholic teachings, these colleges may be viewed by the Courts as performing a religious function. But, it is likely that the labor board knew otherwise—and on January 6, 2015, the NLRB issued a “Certification of Representation” allowing adjunct professors and lecturers at St. Mary’s College of Moraga, California, to join the Service Employees International Union (SEIU). This ruling by the NLRB that employees of Catholic colleges are not expected to uphold Catholic values and doctrine and advance the college’s Catholic mission is an important development in Catholic higher education.
Perhaps you’ll get your Machen up and get off the sidelines for a change. You may not be interested in politics, but the Obamaoids are quite interested in you.
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Isa, when do politicians write to clergy to plead that they change their policies?
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Tom, who is on the sideline here?
Are you in, or out?
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John,
The movie “Don Jon” is a really good picture of the Roman Catholic system of sin/confession/penance/sin/confession/penance/sin/confession/penance….
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Tom’s quote – “This ruling by the NLRB that employees of Catholic colleges are not expected to uphold Catholic values and doctrine and advance the college’s Catholic mission is an important development in Catholic higher education.”
Erik – But if even the faculty is not upholding Catholic values and doctrine the NLRB may be correct.
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Erik, you mean “Tom”.
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ec, on RC faculty — ring a ding ding.
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Teachers in San Francisco may need to teach Roman Catholic doctrine, but apparently doctors of the Church do not need to teach orthodox Christology?
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Doc Gregory must have washed some poor dude’s feet to get this honor.
His bones that have turned to powder must be rejoicing right now.
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If the Pope can do this for an Armenian, the Free Church moderator can do the same for a liberal Protestant:
Pick cherries.
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Andrew Buckingham
Posted February 28, 2015 at 7:57 am | Permalink
Tom, who is on the sideline here?
Against such tyranny, I do cherish some hope that Jews and Christians, Roman Catholics and Protestants, if they are lovers of liberty, may present a united front. https://oldlife.org/2009/12/machen-on-roman-catholic-indoctrination/
Are you in, or out?
Way in.
In fact my point is that Machen was too. Our blog host is MIA. In the least, religious freedom is where the rubber of the one kingdom meets the road of the other.
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Tom, thanks, let me go put on my “machen is my homeboy” t shirt.
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Get one for me. I dig Machen–his epigones not so much.
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vd, t is in.
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Darryl, I’ll believe when he goes to mass.
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Tom’s Papa sounding like Curt Che:
Pope Francis in attack on ‘throwaway’ culture of world economy http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2973570/Pope-Francis-attack-throwaway-culture-world-economy-financial-inequality.html
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Erik, thanks for that recommendation. I’ll look it up.
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The Francis effect:
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They stole that (committee forming as the solution) from us!!
(Insert shruggie here).
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If those high school teachers became ministers that would make Bryan Cross at least a bishop (of the internet).
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Erik,
JGM makes salient points about philosophers (himselfntrsined that way in undergrad) in Hoe Did God Create Man?.
I noted (all about) my objection on 9marks as well, that part 3 with TKNY.
Auf wiedersehen.
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Sorry for the typos, meant “himself trained” and “How” and “(all about) me”
This is what the mouse says:
I’m out.
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Erik, the bishop of the internet vs. the bishop of reddit?
Sounds like an MMA match that pay per view would host, not sure the pro bono wordpress blogs could handle the amount of web traffic that it could foment.
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In other words, Bryan is a philosopher (h/t: you).
It explains a lot.
Yo.
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D. G. Hart
Posted February 28, 2015 at 6:40 pm | Permalink
vd, t is in.
Just dropped in to see what condition your condition is in, Darryl. Outside your marriage, I’m your soulmate, not your Ding Ding people. What were the odds that it turned out we’re the same age from the same hometown and you write about all things I find as important as you do? Dude.
What a great tune. Kenny Rogers as lead singer of the phony but convincingly psychedelic “Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In)”. If you know your music history, just like the equally phony [and better] “Incense and Peppermints.” Written as a joke by professional musicians.
As for your condition, your blog is getting more anti-Catholic by the day, post after post more obsessed with the Catholic Church. The rising percentage is graphable. A good sign. You’re Billy Bob in “The Apostle,” just trying to find a Robert Duvall willing to take the time and effort to kick your ass. Bryan, Jason, the Pope, they’re all too busy.
Because I’ve learned so much about what Catholicism actually believes and teaches–double-checking your frequent distortions of it–as with Calvinism I’ve become quite a student and apologist for it. So much so that when a Reformed friend asked me questions about Catholicism I was able to give her the accurate poop.
Her Reformed doubts assuaged, she undertook the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults for those who wish to convert to the Catholic faith, and tells me she’ll “swim the Tiber” on Easter Sunday. Her husband–an evangelical missionary–is accompanying her to Mass.
Like you he’s invested up to his ears–his career–in Protestantism. To change would be to lose everything, and for you, your academic career as well. You’re professional Protestants.
But Jim’s cool. He does not mock her, doesn’t even try to dissuade her. In fact, surprisingly enough, he’s been accompanying her in her journey, in the parts that he can.
There’s something about “orthodox” and “Presbyterian” that’s oxymoronic. Once you establish an “orthodoxy,” you’re not “Presbyterian”–Protestant–anymore. All you did was counterfeit Catholicism, and even if you make a hit record out of it, it’s bogus.
Cheers, Billy Bob.
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vd, t, do you understand how many Roman Catholics would be appalled that you’re counseling prospectives?
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TVD,
You are a hoot.
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D. G. Hart
Posted March 2, 2015 at 6:08 am | Permalink
vd, t, do you understand how many Roman Catholics would be appalled that you’re counseling prospectives?
Andrew Buckingham
Posted March 2, 2015 at 11:45 am | Permalink
TVD,
You are a hoot.
TWO Billy Bobs. You can’t stay away.
My friend stopped by and read how you congratulate each other and disrespect the sincere.
I read the comments in a link you provided. Those are horrid people.
Called to Crabbiness. I’m starting to think that The “Elect” is another name for one of the circles of Hell. They think they’re in heaven, and God in His mercy lets them think so.
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vd, t, but Pope Francis loves us. What are you gonna do?
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Coincidence?
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TVD,
We know. For the Bible (Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from gthis body of death?) tells us so.
Little ones to HIM belong. We are weak, but HE is strong.
We promote Christianity on this interwebs. Heard of it?
Peace.
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See the links, TVD?
Catch me if you can.
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D. G. Hart
Posted March 3, 2015 at 5:40 am | Permalink
vd, t, but Pope Francis loves us. What are you gonna do?
I love you, Billy Bob. Otherwise I wouldn’t take the time to give you the thrashings you’re always begging for.
As for you, Andrew, Biblequotemongering with Calvinists is as dry as toast. And besides, you cheat.
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/universal_restoration.html
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moi?
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I would never use the footwedge (emoticon).
Fore!
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AB
Posted March 4, 2015 at 8:43 pm | Permalink
And besides, you cheat.
moi?
Infra @ link above
Calvinists, however, put a strict limitation on the occurrences of such words as “all,” “every” and “world.” They argue that these words refer merely to a general inclusion of Gentiles as well as Jews. Frequently, they will interpret the texts as meaning “all KINDS of men,” or “all men without distinction, but not all without exception.”
Seldom are they compelled here by the context or grammar. Their interpretations are driven by forgone theological conclusions, particularly their a priori belief that only some will ultimately be redeemed.
“Indeed, God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.” (John 3:17)
“Therefore, just as one man’s [Adam’s] trespass led to condemnation for all, so one man’s [Christ’s] act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all.” Rom. 5:18
“For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful to all.” (Rom. 11:32)
“For as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ.” (1 Cor. 15:22)
“He [God] has made known to us the mystery of his will … as a plan for the fullness of time, to gather up all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.” (Eph. 1:9, 10)
“Therefore God also highly exalted him and gave him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” (Phil. 2:9-10)
“… through him God was pleased to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through the blood of his cross.” (Col. 19-20)
&c.
AB
Posted March 4, 2015 at 8:52 pm | Permalink
I would never use the footwedge (emoticon).
Fore!
Heh heh. I had to look that one up.
http://www.wikihow.com/Use-a-Foot-Wedge
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TVD,
You left this one out.
After all, I though Bob Barker cheated me, remember? Do I need to provide the LINK?
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Born in Satan’s arms, to parents of Jesusian descent living in Hell on Earth, he grew up as one of the Most Evil people ever. In 1939, he was granted an infinite supply of Demons.
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bob_Barker
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your church showed up in my new favorite tv show last night:
streaming free for amazon prime members, giddy up!
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AB
Posted March 4, 2015 at 11:39 pm | Permalink
your church showed up in my new favorite tv show last night
I don’t even have a church according to Darryl and the Crabbyniks. Do you even read this blog? Hell, do you even read what you write 5 minutes after you hit “Post Comment”?
Not that I blame you. I only do it out of love.
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Tom,
Maybe your next TV gig can be on EWTN’S “Coming Home”.
Is the Mrs. on board?
Was playing “Caddyshack” trivia on Quiz Up last night, but she didn’t come up.
If anyone wants to play me in any category, get the app and challenge me. I play under my real name.
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Tom, yes, I read it all, and I even your little pearls of wisdom:
If you think you are accomplishing something with comments like that one, by all means, continue. You yourself told KW to stay away from DGH’s little spider web interweb game you percieve this blog to be.
Yes indeed I read these, again, I could post a lot more. And link too. But the antagonists do all the work out here, it only helps boost DGH’s ratings.
Keep posting! Be well.
Peace.
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Tom,
Once you figure out definitively what Catholics really believe, make sure and let the Bishops know.
Oh, and run your conclusions by Bryan first.
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I read the comments in a link you provided. Those are horrid people.
Good grief, Tom — living in Cali has made you soft and sensitive. And who are you whining to — the Dowager Countess from Downton Abbey?
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Oh yeah, the Dowager Countess from Downton Abbey, she TOTALLY heard what you just said.
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“Those are horrid people”, Tom’s friend said as he took a break from painting his nails to pet his miniature Schnauzer and smile lovingly at his husband.
“Do you need another martini, Tom?”
“No thanks, Lance. I’m good,” Tom replied.
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plus, doesn’t tom’s “church” condemn Origenism still?
The church of Tom – he does and says what he wants.
Catch me if you can, yo.
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Tom,
I hadn’t thought much about Roman Catholics since the week that one said “fuck”, a 2nd celebrated the first saying “fuck”, a 3rd made up lies about me, and a 4th recycled his child & gay porn in front of me.
Thanks for reminding me that the superior paradigm does not necessarily preclude RC’s from being amoral or immoral d-bags.
Your fixation on being Darryl’s best friend hasn’t crossed over to the dark side, has it? We’re overdue for a middle-of-the-night drunken rant from you.
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If not condemn, RCC’s don’t endorse Universalism as Tom does here.
Like Erik says, how do you fight a guy with “no there, there.”
If your Romish Tom,come out, and go to mass. Right?
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cw, I know. vd, t sounds more like an ex-member not of the Cookies but the Carpenters.
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It’s narcissism, pure and simple.
What else explains the ability to be a complete ass to people for years on end, while at the same time being thin-skinned and easily wounded?
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http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/definition/con-20025568
Diseases and Conditions
Narcissistic personality disorder
By Mayo Clinic Staff
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that’s vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you’re not given the special favors or admiration you believe you deserve. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling.
Narcissistic personality disorder treatment is centered around talk therapy (psychotherapy).
Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders. Personality disorders are conditions in which people have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and other areas of their life, such as work or school.
If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement — and when you don’t receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry. You may insist on having “the best” of everything — for instance, the best car, athletic club or medical care.
At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior. Or you may feel depressed and moody because you fall short of perfection.
Many experts use the criteria in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), published by the American Psychiatric Association, to diagnose mental conditions. This manual is also used by insurance companies to reimburse for treatment.
DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:
•Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
•Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
•Exaggerating your achievements and talents
•Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
•Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people
•Requiring constant admiration
•Having a sense of entitlement
•Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
•Taking advantage of others to get what you want
•Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
•Being envious of others and believing others envy you
•Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner
Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence, it’s not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal and value yourself more than you value others.
When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may not want to think that anything could be wrong — doing so wouldn’t fit with your self-image of power and perfection. People with narcissistic personality disorder are most likely to seek treatment when they develop symptoms of depression — often because of perceived criticisms or rejections.
If you recognize aspects of your personality that are common to narcissistic personality disorder or you’re feeling overwhelmed by sadness, consider reaching out to a trusted doctor or mental health provider. Getting the right treatment can help make your life more rewarding and enjoyable.
It’s not known what causes narcissistic personality disorder. As with other mental disorders, the cause is likely complex. Narcissistic personality disorder may be linked to:
•Mismatches in parent-child relationships with either excessive pampering or excessive criticism
•Genetics or psychobiology — the connection between the brain and behavior and thinking
Narcissistic personality disorder is rare. During childhood and teen years, children may show traits of narcissism, but this may simply be typical of their age and doesn’t mean they’ll go on to develop narcissistic personality disorder.
Narcissistic personality disorder affects more males than females, and it often begins in the teens or early adulthood.
Although the cause of narcissistic personality disorder isn’t known, some researchers think that in biologically vulnerable children, parenting styles that overemphasize the child’s specialness and criticize fears and failures may be partially responsible. The child may hide low self-esteem by developing a superficial sense of perfection and behavior that shows a need for constant admiration.
Complications of narcissistic personality disorder, if left untreated, can include:
•Relationship difficulties
•Problems at work or school
•Depression
•Drug or alcohol abuse
•Suicidal thoughts or behavior
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•Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations
AND ?????????????????
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Back to the substance of what Tom was saying above (as opposed to the ever-grating style), it’s possible to interpret the “broader” passages of Scripture when it comes to salvation in light of the “narrower” passages, but is it really possible to do the opposite?
Tom notes that Calvinists interpret passages like John 3:16 as saying that “world” does not mean “everyone in the world” (which he is correct about – we do say that), but where is the flip side of Arminian (or Universalist) attempts to explain away passages that clearly point to election?
The Canons of Dordt deal with all Tom’s objections. Where is the Arminian or Universalist equivalent to the Canons?
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Pretty much any attempt I’ve seen entail Arminians emoting, talking about how that would not be fair, saying they couldn’t worship a God who would do that, etc. etc. It’s always way more about the Arminian’s feelings than a serious attempt to exegete Scripture.
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Evangelicals and Arminians in the same week. Who could have seen this coming?
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ec, Meth?
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D.G.,
Maybe. Count Tom’s teeth.
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Erik, the Canons are responses to the original Arminian points of doctrine–there was no rebuttal. It probably won’t satisfy an anti-Calvinist like Tom, but Calvinism has always been perfectly content to say it’s all without distinction (Jew and Gentile), not all without exception (head for head).
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Zrim – the Canons are responses to the original Arminian points of doctrine–there was no rebuttal.
Erik – The Arminians presumably went off to pout, grouse, and pick daisies…
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Tulips.
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AB
Posted March 5, 2015 at 10:10 am | Permalink
If not condemn, RCC’s don’t endorse Universalism as Tom does here.
Like Erik says, how do you fight a guy with “no there, there.”
That’s all Called to Crabbiness people do, fight. Look at this whole page of attack. You still don’t get it.
As for Catholicism,
1058 The Church prays that no one should be lost : ‘Lord, let me never be parted from you.’ If it is true that no one can save himself, it is also true that God ‘desires all men to be saved’ (1 Tim 2:4) and that for him ‘all things are possible’ (Mt 19:26).
I learn so much about Catholicism double-checking Darryl and the Crabbymen. Whatever they say about it, it’s usually the opposite.
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Tom,
Desiring that all men be saved is not the same thing as saying all men are saved or will be saved.
Although, If the Pope has the keys to the kingdom, why doesn’t he just declare all men saved?
If he can hand out indulgences, why not hand out lots & lots of them. Why be stingy?
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If Tom is seriously going to become a Catholic apologist, the learning curve is going to be brutal.
Jason tried before deciding to settle for a life of “meh” instead.
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Jason’s latest is transforming the book about finding the superior paradigm against his will into a book about how it’s o.k. to be a sucky Catholic. Kind of a Stewart Smalley memoir for the religious slacker set.
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Tom,
Have you ever considered commenting here without leading with a put down or a statement that builds yourself up?
Or does your emotional state of being perpetually 12 preclude that?
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TVD, even if you are right, who cares? This is a website.
I have a church.
You?
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ec, I think vd, t did too many drugs to keep up with Bryan’s logic.
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The Cookies made Zeppelin look like pikers when it came to.the after party.
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Bishops at odds. The pope as revolutionary and Cordileone as reactionary:
Jason and the Callers continue to live in denial.
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Called to this communion?
But they are one and we aren’t.
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The plot thickens:
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If Cordileone is standing for traditional Roman Catholicism, why won’t he discipline these people who are not submitting to his authority? So much power, so many Crusades, and so little whack.
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Would Cordileone be able to get a church job in Germany?
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Why is San Francisco sounding like disputes among Baptists at First Baptist, Montgomery?
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More reasons to read Boniface:
Why don’t vd, t, vd, c, Susan, Mermaid, and MichaelTX see what Boniface sees?
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If you can get past the confusing relationship that the LCMS is trying to have with Rome, they compare the situation on the Cardinal Burke and the non-Francine guys (I assume Cordileone would be in this same camp) to Luther in 1517!
http://issuesetc.org/2015/06/05/3-the-christian-liturgy-and-the-results-of-vatican-ii-pr-david-petersen-6515/
The good stuff starts at 25:09 and the kicker is at 27:18
I guess it’s nice to hear the LCMS (which is much more friendly with Rome than OL) say the same thing about Rome as OL.
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Apostolic succession wins, but it was a close vote.
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It’s tough to police a denomination when all you need is a baptismal certificate to claim membership, and claiming to be part of it with no further questions asked.
It’s probably more of a way of live up here.
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Do parochial schools even matter? Or are Calvinist day schools the gateway drug to assimilated Roman Catholic schools?
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