James Fitzpatrick has doubts and James Martin’s advice about discernment are not resolving them. The source of these doubts and advice is the 2015 Synod of Bishops. Martin appears to be optimistic about the direction of the Roman Catholic Church:
“Discernment,” Martin continues, “is the term used by Jesuits and their colleagues to describe the way that decisions are made in a prayerful way. St. Ignatius Loyola, the Jesuit founder, lays out many of these methods in his classic text The Spiritual Exercises. At heart, the process begins with the belief that God wants a person, or a group, to make good, healthy and life-giving decisions; and through the ‘discernment of spirits’ sort out what is coming from God and what is not.”
What does “discernment” look like in practice? Martin writes, “At the heart of every group discernment is the idea that everyone should be…radically free to follow God’s will wherever it may lead.” This means that the participants in the group should free themselves from “disordered attachments,” including “fealty to things, ideas and people” — including previously accepted beliefs and figures in authority — “that prevent one from thinking, speaking and acting freely. The most essential element of group discernment is this absolutely radical freedom.”
Martin acknowledges that this freedom may “create tension among those who feel that any movement away from the status quo is in opposition to fidelity to the church or that change itself would cause confusion.” This fear, Martin claims, must be rejected: “Group discernment calls for a willingness to be open with one’s thoughts and feelings, and also to be open to another person’s thoughts and feelings, no matter how threatening they may seem,” since “in group discernment it may be the least likely person or group through whom the Spirit moves most strongly.” It well may be, he continues, that the Spirit is moving in opposition to “those who feel that those with the most authority, learning, or experience naturally have the correct ‘answer’.”
It is for this reason, Martin asserts, that we should not overreact when we hear leaks about things said at the synod. Many of these early positions taken by participants will be rejected before the synod ends; they will not be part of the final report. We must have patience: “The Spirit blows where it will. It takes its time for people to offer their reflections, for questions, for discussion, for clarifications, for prayer and discernment. The Holy Spirit cannot be rushed.”
It is amazing to see a Jesuit appeal to the Holy Spirit as freely as Gilbert Tennent.
But Fitzpatrick, a conservative I suppose by virtue of his writing for The Wanderer, is not so reassured by Martin’s advice:
How can we feel confident that the participants at the synod are proceeding with a “prior commitment and fidelity” to the teachings of the Church, when recent years have given us so many examples of members of the clergy who have demonstrated their opposition to what the Church teaches?
We have seen Archbishop Rembert Weakland of Milwaukee retire in 2004 after it was revealed that he had used $450,000 in archdiocesan funds to settle a lawsuit accusing him of sexual harassment of a male lover.
We remember how Pope John Paul II in 2003 found it necessary to remove Hans Hermann Cardinal Gröer from office because of allegations of sexual misconduct with young students in his care. In September 2005, Juan Carlos Maccarone, the bishop of Santiago del Estero in Argentina, was forced to resign after pictures were released of him engaged in sexual activity with another man.
More recently, Pope Francis accepted the resignation of Keith Cardinal O’Brien, leader of the Catholic Church in Scotland, because of allegations from three priests and one former priest that O’Brien had engaged in improper sexual conduct with them during the 1980s.
And just a few weeks ago, Fr. Krzysztof Charamsa, a Polish priest and Vatican official, came out publicly as an active homosexual with a male partner. Charamsa condemned what he called the “institutionalized homophobia in the church,” calling for a change in the Church’s teaching on homosexual sex.
And just this past week, according to crux.now, Archbishop Basil Cupich of Chicago said, concerning Communion for divorced and remarried Catholics, that there are some ideas surfacing in the synod hall about “penitential paths” in order to integrate people back into the life of the Church.
“[Archbishop Cupich] pointed to the so-called Kasper Proposal, an idea floated by German Cardinal Walter Kasper that would create a pathway to Communion for the divorced and remarried, and he expressed support for the theology behind the idea, published in a book last year,” reported crux.now.LifeSiteNews reported: “When asked by LifeSiteNews if the notion of accompanying people to ‘the Sacrament’ who had a clear indication of conscience to do so also applied to gay couples in the Church, Cupich indicated an affirmative answer.
“‘I think that gay people are human beings too and they have a conscience. And my role as a pastor is to help them to discern what the will of God is by looking at the objective moral teaching of the Church and yet, at the same time, helping them through a period of discernment to understand what God is calling them to at that point. It’s for everybody….”
So, I ask this question sincerely, without an axe to grind: How can we feel confident, given the above history and with some of the statements that have come from certain synod fathers?
Is the cure for such worries two multi-syllabic words — wait for it — papal infallibility?
Hahahaha. Yea, well, lots of straight answers from Jesuits. But, you can always ask for clarification. But, I’m with Fitzpatrick, do you really want to ask these guys? You can’t anticipate their discernment?
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Is the cure for such worries two multi-syllabic words — wait for it — papal infallibility?
All grist for the anti-Catholic mill.
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vd, t, if only Old Life could get you to go to church.
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D. G. Hart
Posted October 28, 2015 at 6:49 pm | Permalink
vd, t, if only Old Life could get you to go to church.
Lk 18:11-14
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Tom, John 5:39-40.
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Zrim
Posted October 28, 2015 at 7:55 pm | Permalink
Tom, John 5:39-40.
Yet another hole in the Old Life Bible.
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Tom, the better to hide Andy Dufresne’s rock hammer. Which reminds me: “His judgment cometh and that right soon.” Get right.
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Zrim
Posted October 28, 2015 at 11:02 pm | Permalink
Tom, the better to hide Andy Dufresne’s rock hammer. Which reminds me: “His judgment cometh and that right soon.” Get right.
My wife loves that movie and it’s always on, so I know every word. 😉
I understand what you people are trying to say better than you understand each other. Nobody has any idea what you just said, and seldom know what darryl is on about. You just pretend to understand each other. John Kennedy Toole. [See, I can do the sibylline thing too. 😉 ]
But your retort has nothing to do with this sola-scripto Biblical grenade-toss, though I’m sure Darryl appreciates you fronting for him. Do you people ever actually read this thing? Nobody who actually reads this blog has the least bit of confusion who’s who here.
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TVD
Posted October 28, 2015 at 11:36 pm | Permalink
Zrim
Posted October 28, 2015 at 11:02 pm | Permalink
Tom, the better to hide Andy Dufresne’s rock hammer. Which reminds me: “His judgment cometh and that right soon.” Get right.
TVD:
My wife loves that movie and it’s always on, so I know every word.
I understand what you people are trying to say better than you understand each other. Nobody has any idea what you just said, and seldom know what darryl is on about. You just pretend to understand each other. John Kennedy Toole. [See, I can do the sibylline thing too. ]
But your retort has nothing to do with this sola-scripto Biblical grenade-toss, though I’m sure Darryl appreciates you fronting for him. Do you people ever actually read this thing? Nobody who actually reads this blog has the least bit of confusion who’s who here.
11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed[a] thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”>>>>
Thanks for reminding me about The Jesus Prayer, Tom. That phrase, “God, be merciful to me a sinner” has always meant a lot to me. Mercy is a good thing. God is merciful. I rely on His mercy and grace.
The Jesus Prayer
O Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
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Mermaid, “Mercy is a good thing. God is merciful. I rely on His mercy and grace.”
Said like a good Protestant. Don’t you think you need to check with your priest to see if you really do rely on God’s mercy? Is that truly your call or above your pay grade?
No salvation outside the church. You don’t get to say whether you’re in or out (unless you’re still acting like an evangelical).
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Cats, is getting justified really that simple though? What if the tax collector starts a mean blog that afternoon? Or worse, what if he collects taxes from a homosexual?
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Courtesy of a link from John Bugay:
It will be a catastrophe for the Church to have someone like [Francis] in the Apostolic See. He left the Society of Jesus in Argentina destroyed with Jesuits divided and institutions destroyed and financially broken. We have spent two decades trying to fix the chaos that the man left us.”
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/10/repost-yes-i-know-bergoglio-hes-person.html
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Tom, my retort is simply following your lead, which also had nothing to do with the question of infallible sources.
“I understand what you people are trying to say better than you understand each other.” Said like a good Pharisee thanking God he’s not like other men. I love irony.
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D. G. Hart
Posted October 29, 2015 at 6:30 am | Permalink
Mermaid, “Mercy is a good thing. God is merciful. I rely on His mercy and grace.”
Said like a good Protestant. Don’t you think you need to check with your priest to see if you really do rely on God’s mercy? Is that truly your call or above your pay grade?
No salvation outside the church. You don’t get to say whether you’re in or out (unless you’re still acting like an evangelical).>>>>
Said like a good Catholic who loves Pope Francis’ emphasis on mercy. You do know that the Jesus Prayer is Orthodox and also prayed by Catholics, right? We are encouraged to pray like that daily, and all day, recognizing our dependence on the mercy of God and not our own righteousness.
You think Calvin invented the idea of grace? You also believe that there is no salvation outside the church, and how do you know you are among those who will persevere to the end?
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Mermaid, you also know that Rome condemned Calvin for antinomianism — grace instead of works.
I know, it’s a different church you now belong to. Like mainline Protestants, except women can’t be ordained.
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Ariel, are you aware how the humblebragging comes across? The complete opposite of the Jesus Prayer. But all day, every day? Really? Jesus didn’t teach that. What’s wrong with the one he did teach once a day, in secret and not broadcast? Please don’t describe your fasting face.
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D. G. Hart
Posted October 29, 2015 at 4:06 pm | Permalink
Mermaid, you also know that Rome condemned Calvin for antinomianism — grace instead of works.
I know, it’s a different church you now belong to. Like mainline Protestants, except women can’t be ordained.
Zrim
Posted October 29, 2015 at 4:31 pm | Permalink
Ariel, are you aware how the humblebragging comes across? The complete opposite of the Jesus Prayer. But all day, every day? Really? Jesus didn’t teach that. What’s wrong with the one he did teach once a day, in secret and not broadcast? Please don’t describe your fasting face.
The Pharisees strike back. What a great advertisement for going to your church.
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When church authority trumps the Bible:
But that’s okay. Only the church can identify infallible doctrine (even if the bishops can’t interpret).
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Tom, church advertising is for evangies and Catholics (and Protestants influenced by them).
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