When the studios release Spotlight for viewing at the nation’s theaters, the Vatican cracks down on journalists:
The criminal charges against the two Italian journalists boil down to this: they practiced journalism. They found sources and persuaded them to give up confidential documents. That allowed them to report, in a more precise way, on important matters of public interest. A good portion of the reporters I know would have criminal records if this were a crime.
Criticism of what’s happened here seems curiously muffled – perhaps because Pope Francis has inspired so much hope. I’ve shared that excitement, and still do.
And I hope that Pope Francis will come to recognize this indictment for what it is: An attempt to interfere with the fundamental human right “to exchange information and ideas” — and a step backward for the church.
#DavidDaleidenmattersright?
Spotlight has received a positive reception from many Catholic Church leaders. Cardinal Sean O’Malley of the Archdiocese of Boston said Spotlight illustrates how the newspaper’s reports prompted the church “to deal with what was shameful and hidden.”[32]
Commentary on Vatican Radio, official radio service of the Vatican, gave strong praise for the film, describing it as “honest” and “compelling.” In the commentator’s view, the movie shows that the Globe reporters exercised “their most pure vocation” as journalists.[33]
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James Young, Now you cut and paste from Yahoo?
You still don’t observe the irony of what the Vatican is doing to journalists. Just point to the positive.
#itsawonderfuldayintheneighborhood
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Darryl,
Wikipedia actually – it was a 2 second check – tough I know.
Its cool. Your journalist count. Other journalists dont. Boniface and Douthat count. Feser and CtC doesnt. Tierney and Kasper counts. Dulles and Burke dont. Its all good in Darryl-land.
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D. G. Hart
Posted November 23, 2015 at 10:13 pm | Permalink
James Young, Now you cut and paste from Yahoo?
You still don’t observe the irony of what the Vatican is doing to journalists. Just point to the positive.
Just point to the negative. Dr. Darryl Hart, the David Barton of anti-Catholicism. One of your links is in Italian, but you know you fans won’t even click.
Not one of your readers has any idea what your point is except blahblahblah = Catholic Church = bad. Dr. Hart doesn’t dare try to make an argument because he knows he’ll be laughed at.
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James Young, remember Called to Communion. Bryanland is the realm of all goodness, truth, and beauty. Some serious Roman Catholics see something different. But for the koolaid drinkers, those Roman Catholics don’t matter.
I read both sides. One seems a lot more plausible.
But you believe what you want to. That explains infallibility and denial of historians. Yup.
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vd, t, why couldn’t it be that Bryan and the Jasons, vd, t, James Young and Mermaid only tell part of the story?
If you ever admitted Rome has problems, we might have a conversation. But you’re stuck in anti-Catholic paranoia. I can’t figure this out. Are you living in 1940s Kennsington? I thought you were a successful L.A. attorney with an actress wife, someone who got out of the ghetto and knows a thing or two about the world.
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James Young, I’m simply trying to get you to own up to your faith:
You’re locked in pay, pray, obey mode. #aggiornamento.
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D. G. Hart
Posted November 24, 2015 at 6:20 am | Permalink
vd, t, why couldn’t it be that Bryan and the Jasons, vd, t, James Young and Mermaid only tell part of the story?
If you ever admitted Rome has problems, we might have a conversation. But you’re stuck in anti-Catholic paranoia.
Dude, you’re the David Barton of anti-Catholicism. What little you know about it is wrong. You don’t even know what’s in the Rosary.
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Hey alls, in case you missed it, Tommy has a new barb — DAVID BARTON OF ANTI-CATHOLICISM. Riotous, clever, creative, insightful. Everyone admire Tom. Everyone love him. It’s what he craves. “David Barton of anti-Catholicism” — magnificent! What will he think of next?!?
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Look, a squirrel in the Rosary.
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cw, David Barton is a compliment since vd, t defends Barton. vd, t is losing is game show sharpness.
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It’s not just ironic or a coincidence. It is tragic! Again, the Roman Church is showing that authoritarianism trumps morals and principles. Who would have thought that of the church led by Pope Francis after his rock-star start as the Pope?
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Lawyers have a bad enough reputation; don’t make it worse by calling TVD a lawyer. He doesn’t – how shall I say this – he doesn’t reason like a lawyer.
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speaking of lawyer reasoning , Muddy,- would you be interested in commenting
(including one link at a time so it goes thru)
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article45725397.html
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http://www.tri-cityherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article44851806.html
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Muddy, how about — how shall I say this — like a female lawyer?
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Ali: no, none whatsoever.
DGH: I don’t need no trouble.
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Reformed requires a high level of irony in the bloodstream
Other denoms, not so much, many see irony as the worst evil on the planet
Best to taunt and tease these people into a Rumpelstiltsken rage at the right moments.
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Fair and balanced:
Not to mention the ecclesiastical issues.
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Blame everyone else. The church with all the authority was only following the instruction of psychiatrists.
You might think a church with infallible teaching would know that sex disqualifies a priest from being a priest.
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Kent,
You’d think the cross would cultivate a sense of irony.
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DGH, i see low and high irony in most pages of the Gospels and Paul’s Epistles. Pointing out some of the best has led to me almost getting punched by angry people in small groups through the years.
Hard to beat the irony of justification through faith alone, even if it leads to some tough discussions with people who want to parse it away or add to it.
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I suppose it makes sense that the ecclesiarchy can never be blamed because if a significant portion of it is corrupt then it undermines the infallible part of it all.
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Kent, I think you’re onto something there. But Ali Voskamp is now more worried than ever about your soul.
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I can’t read and then 50 times recite out loud John 9:27 (read a little bit back to get some context) and not find this to be the most perfect smarty-pants comment in written history. Can you say it without doing a doh-face in scorn at the recipients?
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CW, I know Ali may be lacking in that critical life skill of finding delicious or bitter irony in practically everything.
Some quality time with me would cure that hopefully.
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Darryl,
“I’m simply trying to get you to own up to your faith:”
I’m sorry, I’m missing where I’m supposed to disagree with your citation or where your citation entails Rome’s claims to infallibility and divine authority must be false.
“If you ever admitted Rome has problems, we might have a conversation.”
Rome has problems. That wasn’t hard. You think Feser, CtC, Dulles (rip), Brian Harrison, Burke, and every other conservative doesn’t admit Rome has problems? Do you even absorb what you cite in your articles – I’ll remind you again:
“I would therefore recommend to any Catholics who are in turmoil because the present pope isn’t to their liking or their church is not what they want or their bishop unsatisfactory to read some church history. Eamonn Duffy’s history of the papacy Saints and Sinners is a good one. When you read history of the church you’ll realize that turmoil and trouble have been with us since the time of the apostles. Might as well get used to it.
Does that mean you shouldn’t be upset or worried? No. Does that mean one should be complacent about heresy, corruption within and persecution from without? No. Be worried. That’s okay if it leads you to pray more.”
Turmoil and trouble – sounds like problems to me. Maybe you have a different definition.
That’s part of the point – my side and narrative can absorb and deal with your side – dissent, sin, conflict, turmoil, etc have been with the church since the beginning. Your narrative of RCism cannot absorb my side, hence you ignore and dismiss it with gems like Feser isn’t ordained, so he doesn’t count but others who aren’t ordained do count, and those in authority don’t give a rip about STM or infallibility, except when they do and are cited by Feser or CtC or myself but then somehow those bishops, councils, theologians, magisterial documents don’t count (just like you cavalierly dismissed the catechism of all things), and Kasper and Germany count, but Africa and Burke don’t, and on and on it goes. An honest analysis accounts for all facets.
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Cletus,
That’s part of the point – my side and narrative can absorb and deal with your side
This would be more credible if the refrain wasn’t constantly:
“The fact that many people in the Magisterium routinely ignore what is supposed to be infallible based on my own fallible reading of history does not invalidate anything I have ever said.”
It’s not the existence of disagreement and sin that invalidates Roman Catholicism. It’s the toleration and promotion of it. See Kasper, Pelosi, et al. How are the faithful supposed to know what to do? Read the catechism isn’t a credible answer if the Protestant “read the Bible” isn’t. Remember, you deny self-authentication and the clarity of divine revelation.
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Robert,
Because that refrain is exactly the point – because what it is replying to is a distraction from the issue. Dissent, sin, conflict, turmoil, etc have been with the church since the beginning – that doesn’t invalidate anything a conservative says about infallibility, church authority, Roman claims, etc. Darryl acts as the mere presence of it does, but it doesn’t (he’d have to argue why it does, rather than simply say Kasper! Abuse! Douthat! like a broken record), hence the refrain.
“How are the faithful supposed to know what to do?”
Your own cohorts already nullified and showed the self-defeating nature of your “no orthodoxy without discipline” mantra. Time to move on.
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D. G. Hart
Posted November 24, 2015 at 11:28 am | Permalink
You might think a church with infallible teaching would know that sex disqualifies a priest from being a priest.
The David Barton of anti-Catholicism fabricating about Catholicism again. Read a book, Dr. Hart. Or something.
Cletus van Damme
Posted November 24, 2015 at 1:52 pm | Permalink
Robert,
Because that refrain is exactly the point – because what it is replying to is a distraction from the issue. Dissent, sin, conflict, turmoil, etc have been with the church since the beginning – that doesn’t invalidate anything a conservative says about infallibility, church authority, Roman claims, etc. Darryl acts as the mere presence of it does, but it doesn’t (he’d have to argue why it does, rather than simply say Kasper! Abuse! Douthat! like a broken record), hence the refrain.
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cw: Kent, I think you’re onto something there. But Ali Voskamp is now more worried than ever about your soul.
nope; not worried; maybe should be as a matter of course, but not sure what kent is saying (what are you saying kent about the blind man story?) –I might worry if I knew. Though I ought worry if you two know what each other are saying, especially if you are finishing each other’s sentences.
btw, kent-cw may not possess a heart, so a caution to you
and btw2, re: blind men stories, that Mark 8 one about the man first touched seeing men like trees walking around, but touched again, began to see everything clearly, is a fascinating one.
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James Young, your side can’t deal with the problems. Remember? Protestantism has too many problems. Meoh myoh. Christianity must have a better alternative. Yippee! Rome is here. Come one, come all Protestants. You don’t know how good Christianity is, how full it is, how infallible it is, until you are in communion with — oh wait — Alexander VI.
Sorry James, but you’re not being honest nor are you noticing what transpires among the converts. And deep down you are smug about infallibility and glad you are not like the Protestants. Spare me the shrug. I’ve seen it lots of times from Yankees fans.
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vd, t, so priests having sex is the way of Roman Catholicism?
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D. G. Hart
Posted November 24, 2015 at 9:14 pm | Permalink
vd, t, so priests having sex is the way of Roman Catholicism?
Dr. Hart doesn’t seem to be aware that there are married Catholic priests. The David Barton of anti-Catholicism is going to write a book on the Catholic Church?
Thank God for your comments boxes, Darryl. They’re showing you how far away you are from truth and accuracy about the Catholic Church and how close you are to being laughed out of the scholarly profession if you ever wrote any of this fraud for the general public.
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vd, t, oh my! Married priests? Do they pray the Rosary? What’s the church coming to?
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How would Michael know?
Will Crux verify?
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D. G. Hart
Posted November 25, 2015 at 6:52 am | Permalink
vd, t, oh my! Married priests? Do they pray the Rosary? What’s the church coming to?
No smart answer on the married priests, I see. Busted again. You should call your book “What Darryl Hart Doesn’t Know About Catholicism.” It would run into volumes. 😉
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vd, t, when have I ever given you a smart answer?
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D. G. Hart
Posted November 25, 2015 at 4:16 pm | Permalink
vd, t, when have I ever given you a smart answer?
Once. I think it was a Tuesday. Otherwise they’re all lame like this one. ;-P
Repent.
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Creepy.
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Susan, Mermaid, vd, t, and James Young have yet to comment on Spotlight. Doesn’t fit the narrative. But what would they do with this priest?
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A paradigm change won’t fix this (for those with paradigms to see):
After all, it is clear by now, and was long clear to most, to anyone with eyes to see that the clergy sex abuse crisis has done more damage to the Catholic Church than any other single event in the last fifty years. A secular culture? That pales by comparison to the betrayal and despair that the sex abuse crisis caused. HHS mandates and other infringements on religious liberty? They are pinpricks to the Church’s missions compared to the self-inflicted damage of the clergy sex abuse crisis. Of all the varied human experiences that lead to despair, surely nothing is worse than the sense of betrayal that was at the heart of both the sex abuse itself and of the cover-up that followed.
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The magisterium is self-correcting and reliable for understanding Scripture:
That’s odd. If not for the Boston Globe, the magisterium wasn’t going to fix the priest scandal.
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Darryl,
The difference, however, is that the Magisterium is a living authority, so that if some misinterpretation creeps into the Church, it can intervene and clarify.
Standard RC apologist MO:
1. Deny that the Bible is a living authority and treat it, ironically as any other text. IE, treat it as a dead letter. Ironic since RC apologists rail against GHM because it means we treat the Bible like other books, at least in some ways.
2. Ignore the realities of human communication which mean misunderstanding continues even with your “living” authority.
3. Pretend that the Magisterium cares if anyone listens to it consistently.
4. Ignore practices that apply doctrine and reveal what the Magisterium really believes. Case in point—the sex abuse scandal. The continued refusal to actually do anything about it proves that Rome thinks the abuse of children really is no big deal. Ignore the relation of this to Jesus’ warnings about those who cause little ones to sin. Keep on shrugging.
5. Ignore what gay magazines’ naming Pope Francis as person of the year says about papal perspicuity.
6. Ignore the fact that the vast majority of Roman Catholics have made peace with the fact that the RCC is a very human institution with very human flaws and therefore isn’t really infallible.
Ironic, don’t you think?
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D. G. Hart The dif¬fer¬ence, how¬ever, is that the Mag¬is¬terium is a liv¬ing author¬ity
the difference? God is dead? Where is mermaid to defend that the dead are truly living.
Jesus is alive, gone away for now having sent the vicar, the Holy Spirit
When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me John 15:26
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With Rome everything comes up smelling like roses:
Pass the Kool Aid.
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All better now:
Bureaucracy will save us (and the kids).
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Can you believe it? Even the Vatican says the church has implemented the right procedures.
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But how could the divine structure let through such iffy persons? And why if taking a bite from a piece of fruit condemned the human race doesn’t the cover up invalidate the episcopate?
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Why does it take NCR to state the obvious?
They don’t like Kool Aid?
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Doesn’t look like the church is all that different in some dioceses:
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Two views on Spotlight.
One:
Two:
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So glad the church has changed:
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No, it’s all better despite Mueller’s statement and Pell’s testimony:
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