A Liberal Cigar Smoker? Go Figure

Don’t always believe all that the Allies tell you.

Thanks to our southern correspondent now comes news (only 25 years old) that Charles Spurgeon brought politics into the pulpit (good and hard):

The great preacher did not shun political questions as a diversion from spiritual religion. Although he kept political ventures within limits, especially in his sermons, he urged others to go further. “I often hear it said,” runs one passage in a sermon, “ ‘Do not bring religion into politics.’ This is precisely where it ought to be brought, and set there in the face of all men as on a candlestick.”

Not only that, he was a Liberal:

Spurgeon’s identification with the Liberal Party is well illustrated by an address to local voters that he issued at the 1880 general election. “Are we to go on slaughtering and invading in order to obtain a scientific frontier and feeble neighbours?” he asked. “Shall all great questions of reform and progress be utterly neglected for years? … Shall the struggle for religious equality be protracted and embittered? … Shall our National Debt be increased?”

Spurgeon was advocating four great principles. First, he was protesting against the recent imperialistic ventures of a Conservative government; that was a stand for peace. Second, he was calling for measures of change that would benefit the common people; that was a commitment to reform. Third, he was urging religious equality, the distinctive aim of Nonconformists. Fourth, he was demanding a decrease in wasteful public spending; that was a recommendation of retrenchment.

Nothing wrong with being a Liberal, and the British Liberal Party was more akin to positions advocated by Republicans and Progressives in the United States. So we’re not talking Barack Hussein Obama or John Kerry. Still, I sure would like to know how you minister the word of God and endorse a party platform outside the promised land of Israel. Can we get a little exegesis here?


8 thoughts on “A Liberal Cigar Smoker? Go Figure

  1. “Can we get a little exegesis here?” Probably not since Spurgeon seems to have preferred histrionics over exegesis.


  2. DG Harts says More 2k, more confessionalism, healthier churches, better citizens. Will that fit on a bumper sticker?

    probably not, but ‘love one another’ or ‘no greater love’ probably does

    tried to do a bible word search on ‘2k’, ‘confessionalism’, ‘better citizens’ but found these:

    – While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world, Jesus John 9:5
    -As He is, so also are we in this world. 1 John 4:17
    -In the grace of God, we conduct ourselves in the world 2 Cor 1:2
    -The only thing counting for anything- only faith working thru love Gal 5:6
    -Faith, hope, love, abide’ and the greatest – love. 1 Cor 13:13
    -Love does no harm to a neighbor; love =law’s fulfillment. Rom 13:10
    -To one who knows the right thing to do and doesn’t do it- sin. James 4:17
    -Being of the day -we put on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet, the hope of salvation. 1 Thess 5:6
    -Being children of God above reproach- we appear to this perverse generation, as lights, holding fast the word of life Phil 2:15

    love, pollyanna

    They were continually devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone kept feeling a sense of awe; and many wonders and signs were taking place through the apostles. And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common; and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need. Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people.
    And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved. Acts 2:42-47


  3. D. G. Hart says: Ali, still waiting for your address.
    First though -are you wanting it to send me your book(s) or to send a fire-bombing drone? 🙂

    and today @ https://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org/loveofgod/

    …But Daniel drew a line in the sand. It could have cost him his life. He did not object to the change in his name, nor to royal service on behalf of the Babylonian Empire. But he would not “defile” himself (Dan. 1:8) by eating food prepared in the royal kitchens. He knew that if he partook, he would almost certainly eat things from time to time that the Law of God strictly forbade. For him it was a matter of obedience, a matter of conscience. In the providence of God, the chief to whom he was responsible, Ashpenaz, was an understanding sort, and the result is reported in this chapter.”
    “For many of us today, Daniel’s stand is vaguely quixotic, but certainly not something to emulate. Why die over sausages? Come to think of it, is there anything worth dying for? Probably not—if all there is to life is found in our brief earthly span, and all that is important is what happens to me. But Daniel’s aim was to please God and to conform to the covenant. His values could not be snookered by Babylon; on this point he was prepared to die. The trouble is that when a culture runs out of things to die for, it runs out of things to live for. A colleague in the ministry (Dr. Roy Clements) has often said, “We are either potential martyrs or potential suicides; I see no middle ground between these two. And the Bible insists that every believer in the true God has to be a potential martyr.”


  4. Ali, are you willing to die for a Christian amendment to the Constitution? Or are you pretty happy with American freedoms (that don’t acknowledge Christ) that allow you to quote Bible verses regularly and annoy other Christians?


  5. quote Bible verses regularly and annoy other Christians?

    huh? I had no idea

    walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh (and be annoyed by the word of God). Gal 5:16

    Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you Col 3:16

    If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Gal 5:25

    so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Rom 8:4

    ps again: for the purpose of sending book(s) (to better understand your THINKing really is by the Spirit ?)


  6. Ali,

    “Wail, O Heshbon, for Ai is laid waste!
    Cry out, O daughters of Rabbah!
    Put on sackcloth,
    lament, and run to and fro among the hedges!
    For Milcom shall go into exile,
    with his priests and his officials.
    Why do you boast of your valleys,
    O faithless daughter,
    who trusted in her treasures, saying,
    ‘Who will come against me?’
    Behold, I will bring terror upon you,
    declares the Lord GOD of hosts,
    from all who are around you,
    and you shall be driven out, every man straight before him,
    with none to gather the fugitives. (Jeremiah 49:3-5 ESV)


  7. funny. oh, ‘by the Spirit’ , though, of course, I meant that any of your opining not be in direct conflict with the word of God. Anyway, though, thanks for the additional good word of the Lord from Jeremiah.

    from When God’s Judgment Finally Comes By Kay Arthur
    Jeremiah 45-49 What Are You Seeking in these Days of Judgment?
    PRAYER. Let’s pray. Thank you Father. Thank you for your Word. Thank you that it is a sure Word of prophecy unto which we do well that we take heed. Thank you father that it is a light that shines in a dark place. Thank you Father for giving it to your prophets beforehand so that we can know and we can be prepared. Father, thank you for giving us life. And Father now may we take that life and seek first YOUR kingdom and your righteousness. And as we do we will understand Father that because you are righteous you must judge the world but you will do it in righteousness. Thank you Lord for being the God of the nation, thank you for installing your King upon Zion, your holy mountain—that jewel among all the nations of the world – that jewel where every nation will someday come to worship the King and to learn His ways and beat their swords into plowshares—that day when there will be no more war on the face of this earth. O Lord we look forward to the coming of the King of kings. In Jesus’ name. Amen.


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